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Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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The IDF has opened a special course for arabic translators and investigators.

It is a means to both increase troops effectiveness and to prevent misunderstandings and smoothen the relationships between Palestinian civilians and IDF troops.

Sometimes, during raids on suspect's houses, misundertandings or lack of language knowledge would lead to unintended conflicts and even accidents, if troops accidentally shouted "get in the house" instead of "get out of the house" and then opened fire when people ran to the house.

Also, this will allow for better on-the-spot questioning and intelligence gathering. The linguists will be able to get the remarks suspects can exchange between themselves. They will also be able to explain their goals and understand better the civilian needs.

The linguists will be chosen ground troops with language abilities, who will undergo several weeks of training in spoken arabic, and a short course in psychology and body language to pick up non-verbal hints, and learn palestinian customs better.


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I think it's a great move and I'm surprised this hasn't happenned before.

According to the article in Maariv, IDF used to take intelligence troops and embed them into teams and platoons, but that worked poorly and was too rare.

Az is offline Az
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It's about time.

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Definitely a decent step.

I remember thinking about this when I watched US forces foil a bank robbery in Iraq. What's the point of screaming 'down!' to someone if they don't speak the same language?

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you'd think the robbers would get the general idea when someone is holding a gun to their head and pointing at the floor...

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You mean to say that you've been invading thier cities this many times and lacked translators to speak with the populace?!?!

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M4A1s and Merkavas speak quite well.

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you'd think the robbers would get the general idea when someone is holding a gun to their head and pointing at the floor...



They might think they're saying 'go to hell' or something.

Everyone knows hell is underground.

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You mean to say that you've been invading thier cities this many times and lacked translators to speak with the populace?!?!

many of the arabs speak hebrew, and many of the soldiers know basic words. There is communication, but this left plenty of place for misunderstanding.

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You mean to say that you've been invading thier cities this many times and lacked translators to speak with the populace?!?!


We still learn a lot French in school

Sorry Spiff

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You could always recruit Arabs...

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Yes, we must know the language of our enemies.

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They might think they're saying 'go to hell' or something.

Everyone knows hell is underground.


that's their problem really isn't it

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Just don't rob any banks come the Swiss invasion, Cockney

Az is offline Az
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You could always recruit Arabs...

We do recruit some of them, the druze, and beduin, and arab can volounteer to join the army. ( some christians do so.)

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BTW, Is Arabic a widely taught language in Israel ? I mean, is the teaching of Arabic present as soon as highschool, and is it more widely taught than, say, Spanish, French or German ?

I wonder if many Israelis are able to communicate in Arabic or not.

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nope. It's a shame really. It's taught in many highschools, but as the 2nd foreign language, it's not getting any realy coverage. unlike english.

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