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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Sheep
occ: I would like the passwords to North and South Sheepsta. The three nations will be considered as Unified Sheepsta with the NS versions as provinces. |
How can you have different nations, under different laws, but have them as a Unified Sheepsta? The people voted to have those nations destroyed, and for you to be leader of all of Sheepsta. Why would you want them? If you are going to keep them as seperate nations, you are going against what the people voted, if you wish to unite them, then you cannot keep the seperate nations alive. North and South Sheepsta were set up by Archaic, and are both heavily capitalist (Corporate Bordello IIRC) and so bear no resemblance to Sheepsta. If you want colonies (as everyone seems to ATM, what did I start  ) then start them up, but the people voted to unify Sheepsta, not to keep it broken up but under your control.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:27
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RP all into New Sheepsta means you don't have to create a Unified Sheepsta, you can keep New Sheepsta, and RP the rest into it. However, if they are just provinces, they are not seperate nations. A nation is just a boundary, and thus if they are now part of New Sheepsta, it may take time to unify them, but they are already in the same nation, and thus are not seperate nations, with seperate governments. Also, it was asked that unless the people specifically vote for you or Archaic to keep those nations, they be left to run out. Since the people did not vote to give them to someone, they will be as such. Yes it will take time to RP them into a unity (and as much time as you need, it's all up you) they are not seperate nations anymore, and so should not exist as seperate nations.
Provinces don't have their own nations.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:27
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I see what you mean. I disagree about them being their own nation, under a federal government, as well as being one nation, run as 3 different nations. Although I may agree with what you want to do, there are 2 reasons against it. In the court poll, the people did not vote to give you control, and I was specifically asked that if they didn't, I should not give you control. Archaic started these nations in RL, and as such, he can say he doesn't want someone to have them. However, in RP terms, you can do what you wish now. So please RP it as such, but I cannot give you the passwords, so you cannot change issues or such like. I am sorry, but legally I cannot give you the passwords.
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Archaic
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Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Nov 2001
time: 15:27
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Originally posted by Sheep
Like I said diffrent cirumstances and proved them in the court. The fact that whgat I did in normal circumstances would be wrong doesn't escape me. Your forget a lot, when you try and act so smart don;t you. Perhaps its time to start paying attention to what others have to say, you may get futher.\ |
You didn't prove a thing in the court, and we both know it. You only won the vote because people voted against Archaic, instead of voting like a Sheepstan citizen.
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Originally posted by Sheep
BTW what took you so long? I had to wait 5 minutes to hear this tripe? Your standards are dropping! |
For someone who's so quick to yell "Real Life" as an excuse whenever he's too slow and loses out on something, you don't really consider it with others, do you? FYI, I'm on a 56k connection for this weekend, and I have an assignment on how the free markets can satisfy social goals (And yes Sheep, they can, despite socialist claims to the contrary) to type for Thursday.
And frankly, I welcome the break. If I'm typing tripe to you, well, you're not even plankton.
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Archaic
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Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Nov 2001
time: 15:27
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Originally posted by Sheep
plankton, is that supposed to insult me  . Your right though I didn;t prove **** in the court, Jack did, thanks for correcting me there. |
Neither you nor your proxy proved anything.
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Originally posted by Sheep
If everyone is so against you in your eyes why don't you take a good look at the way you apporach things. Perhaps you take them to seriously, perhaps you have pissed off too many people because of your never-can be wrong attitude, perhaps its your use of large and meaningless words that only people with a university degree would know of let alone think about using in speech. |
So in other words, your arguement is....
"You're a big meanie"
If people have developed an Anti-Archaic mental block that hinders their rational judgement in the court, then they shouldn't be in the court. I see that you ruled Centralis out of the court decisions just because he had said some things against you, even though he had been critical of my troops moving in anyway. I can take the heat Sheep. I can take it when people disagree with me, so long as they offer a rational arguement for it. You just whinge.
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Originally posted by Sheep
I however wish you luck on your assignment. No matter how much you have pissed me off I can still hold no grudge against you, mainly because I am too good for that. Even though we do not agree very often. |
Don't you just love how this guy keeps trying to claim the moral high ground? Newsflash Sheep. Just because you try to play good cop to my bad cop doesn't mean your actions are right.
The gauntlet has been dropped Sheep. Accept my challenge in the other thread to take this matter to the World Court on the Nationstates forums, or admit that you are wrong, and aren't willing to have this matter decided upon by someone without an Anti-me bias.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Archaic
You didn't prove a thing in the court, and we both know it. You only won the vote because people voted against Archaic, instead of voting like a Sheepstan citizen. |
In your opinion. I think most who voted voted as Sheepstan citizens, and wanted to be united. Considering how left many here are, I am not surprised they chose a dictator over a corporate bordello, whether that was wise or not. I admit people do seem to vote against you, because it is you. However, just to brand any election you lose as people voting wrongly is a little too far IMHO. I personally voted as a Sheepstan citizen, and I think others did (as your forwarded PM conversation with Wine showed). Maybe not all did, but then, I still feel it was the best method, and better than a completely RP election.
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Originally posted by Archaic
If people have developed an Anti-Archaic mental block that hinders their rational judgement in the court, then they shouldn't be in the court. I see that you ruled Centralis out of the court decisions just because he had said some things against you, |
I agree, justices should be impartial. However I was all for Centralis not being a judge for that trial, as he had placed forces on one side, and he was hardly impartial. He was involved, and thus not suitable to judge it. That is why I prefer judges to reserve judgement until the courtroom, and any that don't, can be asked not to serve in that trial. He ruled Centralis out because he had troops in Sheepsta.
North Sheepsta was hardly in the spirit of the rule about not making old nations back again. It was obvious you were trying to annoy Sheep. Indeed, now we are backl to the original state, where Sheepsta is controlled by Sheep, as he started it, you then try to take a port? Quite simply, I don't see why Urbanised is any part of Sheepsta. I say it is somewhere else, since Sheepsta is a unified and complete nation (just look at the map, they area is already chosen by Sheepsta). Yes Sheep has god-modded, as have you. I propose you both stop. If you want to go to war, then do it, although I would advise against it, but this stealth war and god-modding is just an excuse to have a go at each other.
Sheep: Can you just ignore the whole Urbanised thing. Archaic is welcome to state his new nation, but just state that it isn't in Sheepsta (which you can, as Sheepsta is your nation, and already has its position on the map) and then ignore the whole RP about it.
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Archaic
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Washed up SMAC/X University Specialist
Nov 2001
time: 15:27
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Originally posted by Drogue
In your opinion. I think most who voted voted as Sheepstan citizens, and wanted to be united. Considering how left many here are, I am not surprised they chose a dictator over a corporate bordelloether that was wise or not. I admit people do seem to vote against you, because it is you. However, just to brand any election you lose as people voting wrongly is a little too far IMHO. I personally voted as a Sheepstan citizen, and I think others did (as your forwarded PM conversation with Wine showed). Maybe not all did, but then, I still feel it was the best method, and better than a completely RP election. |
Emphasis mine
Thank you for practically admitting that you knew the vote would go against me because people would not truly vote as Sheepstan citizens, but as themselves, with their own personal biases against me.
As for the unification, you refused to have the poll options such that there would be an option for a United Sheepsta as an Alecrast protectorate when I brought it to your attention. Indeed, you never even consulted me over what my option should be in the first place.
quote:
Originally posted by Drogue
I agree, justices should be impartial. However I was all for Centralis not being a judge for that trial, as he had placed forces on one side, and he was hardly impartial. He was involved, and thus not suitable to judge it. That is why I prefer judges to reserve judgement until the courtroom, and any that don't, can be asked not to serve in that trial. He ruled Centralis out because he had troops in Sheepsta.
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You've only proved your impartiality, or lack thereof, concerning me with your double standards.
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Originally posted by Drogue
North Sheepsta was hardly in the spirit of the rule about not making old nations back again. It was obvious you were trying to annoy Sheep. Indeed, now we are backl to the original state, where Sheepsta is controlled by Sheep, as he started it, you then try to take a port? Quite simply, I don't see why Urbanised is any part of Sheepsta. I say it is somewhere else, since Sheepsta is a unified and complete nation (just look at the map, they area is already chosen by Sheepsta). Yes Sheep has god-modded, as have you. I propose you both stop. If you want to go to war, then do it, although I would advise against it, but this stealth war and god-modding is just an excuse to have a go at each other. |
I see lots of crying here that "Archaic is a meanie", and no real arguement. My position was legitimate, and still is. As for Urbanised, you've got two choices. Either it is legitimate, as was Sheeps New Sheepsta, or NEITHER Urbanised and New Sheepata were legitimate. Anything else would be applying double standards.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:27
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Originally posted by Archaic
Thank you for practically admitting that you knew the vote would go against me because people would not truly vote as Sheepstan citizens, but as themselves, with their own personal biases against me. |
No, that is admitting that they believe that a corrupt dictator is better than a corporate bordello, and that, as Sheepstan citizens, they would rather live in such. This is how you believe you dont god-mod. You say thinks like, practically admitted as such, when actually you have failed to grasp what was meant. They voted as Sheepstan Citizens, that they would rather be unified with New Sheepsta, and be under a corrupt dictator, than be a protectorate of a corporate bordello. That is what the people wanted, deal with it.
quote:
Originally posted by Archaic
As for the unification, you refused to have the poll options such that there would be an option for a United Sheepsta as an Alecrast protectorate when I brought it to your attention. Indeed, you never even consulted me over what my option should be in the first place. |
Since New Sheepsta wasn't the issue, you cannot unite sheepsta under Alecrast. That was not what the trial was about. It was about control of North and South Sheepsta, not about control of New Sheepsta. Your option? The options given were court options, and how we ruled. None of them belonged to you. We could have decided who had control ourselves, since that would have been well within our power. We could have just stated what we wanted.
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Originally posted by Archaic
You've only proved your impartiality, or lack thereof, concerning me with your double standards. |
What standards have I applied to you and not to him? Do you claim to even know what my standards are? I don't like god-modding, and I have said the same to Sheep. However, with this, you have been far worse, and done far more, all because you don't like him. Why aim it all at Sheep, some personal vendetta? You have been at him since the start, and have tried to take his nations, then god-mod him out of them. I have one set of standards, but you have broken them, not him.
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Originally posted by Archaic
I see lots of crying here that "Archaic is a meanie", and no real arguement. My position was legitimate, and still is. As for Urbanised, you've got two choices. Either it is legitimate, as was Sheeps New Sheepsta, or NEITHER Urbanised and New Sheepata were legitimate. Anything else would be applying double standards. |
No it wouldn't be. You obviosuly are suffering from tunnel vision. Sheepsta started out, in RP, as Sheeps nation. You took it with North and South Sheepsta. Now he has it back, you try to take it again with Urbanised. The difference between Urbaniseed and New Sheepsta, is that Sheepsta, the island, is his, in RP, and started as his. His island, you took it, and are taking it again. He did not god-mod with New Sheepsta, since it was his nation his was modding with (geographically). Geographically, in RP, non of Sheepsta was ever yours. North and South Sheepsta were just you trying to take his nation. You lost the case, get over it, and stop trying to take Sheepsta from him. Urbanised is not in Sheepsta, as that would be god-modding. Sheepsta was Sheeps, and thus he is not god-modding when he claims it.
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Sheep
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The Hand of Sheep, the Hand of Death
Mar 2002
time: 15:27
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Originally posted by Drogue
No it wouldn't be. You obviosuly are suffering from tunnel vision. Sheepsta started out, in RP, as Sheeps nation. You took it with North and South Sheepsta. Now he has it back, you try to take it again with Urbanised. The difference between Urbaniseed and New Sheepsta, is that Sheepsta, the island, is his, in RP, and started as his. His island, you took it, and are taking it again. He did not god-mod with New Sheepsta, since it was his nation his was modding with (geographically). Geographically, in RP, non of Sheepsta was ever yours. North and South Sheepsta were just you trying to take his nation. You lost the case, get over it, and stop trying to take Sheepsta from him. Urbanised is not in Sheepsta, as that would be god-modding. Sheepsta was Sheeps, and thus he is not god-modding when he claims it. |
It is sim[ply because of this that I would like the passwords to North and South Sheepsta so I can continue to RP them into the Unfied Sheepsta that I enviosn.
After all RP means a lot to you don;t it Archaic?
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