25-04-2003 19:52									#31
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Don't bother AS. they don't want to hear real reasons. They prefer to grandstand on vapor.

RAH

	25-04-2003 20:23									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Combat Ingrid Edited out "underage"... In response to your second question: how about international law? Not that international law applies to the US, of course

What international law? The Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War grants the detaining power, and no other party, the right to determine the status of unlawful combatants. The Guantanamo detainees were determined to be unlawful combatants.

We're within our legal rights to have a quick tribunal in whatever form we choose, and then strap those asswipes to a post and shoot them, but we haven't done that. In fact, several have been released and returned to their home countries.

Combat Ingrid - why don't you spare a little wrath for the *******s who were having these kids fight in the first place.

	25-04-2003 20:45									#33
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Somalia. Somalia needs to be turned into nothingness.



And Sava,

	25-04-2003 20:49									#34
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Also, in the US you can be sentenced to death penalty as a child. In fact even retards can It doesn't seem to matter…..as long as they are killing some one……… I believe the same goes for Somalia..

All this brings hope and glory to the humankind…..

	25-04-2003 20:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ambro2000 In fact even retards can It doesn't seem to matter

1) Retards is offensive. Mentally disabled is better.
2) You're behind the times. That was stopped with a very wierd SCOTUS ruling recently.

	25-04-2003 21:01									#36
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Yeah, Doc. Pretty bad for such a concerned citizen, isn't it?

@ Ambro.

	25-04-2003 21:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Somalia. Somalia needs to be turned into nothingness. And Sava,

Very Christian viewpoint.

Anyways, if you don't think the US government is corrupt, well... I can't help you. If it makes you feel any better, I think Clinton was just as corrupt as Bush.

	25-04-2003 21:18									#38
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I feel fine.
Who do you think isn't corrupt, is the big question.
Che?

	25-04-2003 21:19									#39
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I wasn't aware Che held a government position.

	25-04-2003 21:26									#40
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quote: 1) Retards is offensive. Mentally disabled is better. 2) You're behind the times. That was stopped with a very wierd SCOTUS ruling recently. Yeah, Doc. Pretty bad for such a concerned citizen, isn't it?

Yes I really should be ashamed had it been that english where my native language. However as it is I am quite happy that I can make my self understood with the English I’m using (even though some of you would very much like to not understand my words of truth! )

Btw..What the heck is a scotus ruling?

	25-04-2003 21:28									#41
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It also bans the execution of minors. That's why the US won't sign it.

	25-04-2003 21:29									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I wasn't aware Che held a government position.

Sure he does.
He's being considered as Fidel's replacement; if he would just GO.

	25-04-2003 21:31									#43
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I feel fine. Who do you think isn't corrupt, is the big question. Che?

I'm openly corrupt. I'm an equal opportuniy bribee.

	25-04-2003 21:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Sure he does. He's being considered as Fidel's replacement; if he would just GO.

You don't want me as Fidel's replacement. Really.

	25-04-2003 21:32									#45
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It also bans the execution of minors. That's why the US won't sign it.

How many minors have we executed? They're usually getting close to thirty by the time they are put down.

	25-04-2003 21:48									#46
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We sentence quite a few minors to death.

	25-04-2003 21:50									#47
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara We sentence quite a few minors to death.

That's not what you said though.

	25-04-2003 22:01									#48
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quote: Btw..What the heck is a scotus ruling?

Evil Yankee conspiracy...

Actually, since I'm not an evil yankee, I'll help you out.

It's an abbreviation for Supreme Court of the United States.

	25-04-2003 22:55									#49
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara It also bans the execution of minors. That's why the US won't sign it.

That also happens to be why certain conservative posters on this forum would rather smokescreen the issue by pouring scorn and attempting to undermine this thread by dodging the issue...

	25-04-2003 22:57									#50
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besides, i highly doubt that nkorea tends to stick to that document, even though you imply that they are signatories...

	25-04-2003 23:02									#51
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS That also happens to be why certain conservative posters on this forum would rather smokescreen the issue by pouring scorn and attempting to undermine this thread by dodging the issue...

The issue was dealt with by MtG on the first page with this choice quote: And if an international treaty or convention is signed by a bunch of shithole countries that don't even pretend to abide by it's requirements, it's already a mockery. We just don't legitimize that mockery by endorsing it.

	25-04-2003 23:06									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed besides, i highly doubt that nkorea tends to stick to that document, even though you imply that they are signatories...

See there I was thinking we were talking about the US...

Why is it that people think they can justify the wrongs of one nation by pointing to the wrongs of another nation?

I suppose we should be thankful that the US openly admits to abusing the rights of children by placing them on death row and guantanamo bay instead of abusing them behind closed doors?

	25-04-2003 23:08									#53
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i'm saying that the treaty, for all its pure intentions, is worth squat.

the us is one of the better countries when it comes to treating its offspring with respect.

granted, it could do a lot better, but the us certainly doesn't need to sign a treaty that merely reinforces a lot of what it is already doing, much less put its name alongside those of other, more hypocritical nations...

	25-04-2003 23:12									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc The issue was dealt with by MtG on the first page with this choice quote: And if an international treaty or convention is signed by a bunch of shithole countries that don't even pretend to abide by it's requirements, it's already a mockery. We just don't legitimize that mockery by endorsing it.

It doesn't work like that

Part of the reason such 'shithole' countries are allowed to get away with abusing children's rights is the fact that the UN can't very well go after them when the so called 'land of the free', champion of democracy, most powerful country in the world etc is freely abusing them by executing juvenile offenders.

As the most powerful country in a supposedly civilised world the US should be setting the right example for these tinpot dictatorships, as opposed to this unfortunate emulation that is actually occuring...

	25-04-2003 23:16									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed i'm saying that the treaty, for all its pure intentions, is worth squat. the us is one of the better countries when it comes to treating its offspring with respect. granted, it could do a lot better, but the us certainly doesn't need to sign a treaty that merely reinforces a lot of what it is already doing, much less put its name alongside those of other, more hypocritical nations...

Oh right, it's not OK for other nations to copy the US by developing WoMD, but it is OK for them to copy the US by murdering their children.

Amongst other things.

	25-04-2003 23:19									#56
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS As the most powerful country in a supposedly civilised world the US should be setting the right example for these tinpot dictatorships,

Yes, I'm quite sure that the Sudan, as an example, is just waiting for the US to sign on to the convention before cracking down on thier slave trade that deals with both children and adults.

quote: as opposed to this unfortunate emulation that is actually occuring...

You should only wish they were emulating us when it comes to the treatment of children. It would lead to a marked improvement in thier treatment.

	25-04-2003 23:22									#57
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quote: Oh right, it's not OK for other nations to copy the US by developing WoMD, but it is OK for them to copy the US by murdering their children.

i never said that the us should be copied, or be taken as a paragon of righteousness.

besides, how many of those tinpot countries do you think really are trying to emulate the us? when the develop wmd, it's not to be just like the us, but to gain the upper hand against its local neighbors.

	25-04-2003 23:33									#58
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Name me some children we've executed and why.

Name/Date of Execution/Place of Execution/Race/Age at Crime/Age at Execution

Charles Rumbaugh 9/11/85 Texas White 17 28
J. Terry Roach 1/10/86 South Carolina White 17 25
Jay Pinkerton 5/15/86 Texas White 17 24
Dalton Prejean 5/18/90 Louisiana Black 17 30
Johnny Garrett 2/11/92 Texas White 17 28
Curtis Harris 7/1/93 Texas Black 17 31
Frederick Lashley 7/28/93 Missouri Black 17 29
Ruben Cantu 8/24/93 Texas Latino 17 26
Chris Burger 12/7/93 Georgia White 17 33
Joseph Cannon 4/22/98 Texas White 17 38
Robert Carter 5/18/98 Texas Black 17 34
Dwayne Allen Wright 10/14/98 Virginia Black 17 24
Sean Sellers 2/4/99 Oklahoma White 16 29
Douglas Christopher Thomas 1/10/00 Virginia White 17 26
Steven Roach 1/13/00 Virginia White 17 23
Glen McGinnis 1/25/00 Texas Black 17 27
Shaka Sankofa (Gary Graham) 6/22/00 Texas Black 17 36
Gerald Mitchell 10/22/01 Texas Black 17 33
Napoleon Beazley 5/28/02 Texas Black 17 25
T.J. Jones 8/8/02 Texas Black 17 25
Toronto Patterson 8/28/02 Texas Black 17 24
Scott Allen Hain 4/3/03 Oklahoma White 17 32

What is even more shocking is that many of these children spent over half their lives on death row!

The last execution on the list was only last month!!!

Or an average of just under three children killed per year in the last five years!!!

quote: As far as who benefits from child labor, I'm no fan of multinational corporations who abuse third world labor, but they didn't create the abusive labor practices, they just moved to where they exist. And where are your clothes made?

They are knowing accomplices to these abusive labour practices and are there precisely to take advantage of them and indirectly promote them.

And no, when I become aware of the practices of certain companies such as Gap and Nike I boycott them!

Just so you know, the Levi's I'm wearing are made in New Zealand and my V-Neck Sweater is made in Croatia...

	25-04-2003 23:49									#59
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That's odd. None of those you listed were children. What was your point again?

	25-04-2003 23:54									#60
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mobius, most of them were children for 1 or 2 years after imprisonment. they were executed as adults.