26-04-2003 05:03									#1
	OFFICIAL Poll: should we disband Magdeburg? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

This Official Decision Making Poll will expire in three days, the 29th of April at 01:00 GMT.

Dear Citizens of Lemuria,

One of our brave scouting unit has liberated the city of Magdeburg from our enemies. Though this city would have a good potential for growth and production it is far from our territory and thus almost impossible to manage.

Magdeburg is currently occupied by two of our units (one Warrior and one Hoplite) and is rioting though the effects of the conquest are now over.


Here are the Options offered to our Citizens:

Yes: means you think Magdeburg should be disbanded

No: means you think Magedburg should not be disbanded

Abstain: means that this issue is not important enough for your noble ears or that you do not have any opinion about the fate Magedburg should be reserved.

	26-04-2003 05:07									#2
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Here is the location of Magdeburg:

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	26-04-2003 05:10									#3
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Here is the Status of Magedburg so that you can judge by yourselves:

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	26-04-2003 21:21									#4
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What do you want to do with the Settler, that we get from the city by disbanding it, Tamerlin. Do you want to move it East to the unclaimed place West of Nürnberg and NorthWest of Pressburg?

-Martin

	26-04-2003 21:37									#5
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if we don't find a suitable place, we could just disband it in one of uor towns to speed up grow there.

	27-04-2003 03:57									#6
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i like that pass in the mountain next to the grapes, that spot will let us move calvary and arty through the middle of the mountains!

	27-04-2003 06:28									#7
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The Settler could be used to settle an unclaimed part of the map or to speed the growth of one of our cities. The final use of the settler should be discussed in a Turn Chat though suggestions from the citizens are welcomed and will be given proper attention.

	27-04-2003 10:07									#8
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quote: Originally posted by HuangShang i like that pass in the mountain next to the grapes, that spot will let us move calvary and arty through the middle of the mountains!

a road will do the same, and roads don't need food.

	27-04-2003 15:05									#9
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But a road can be more easily removed by the enemy.

	27-04-2003 16:56									#10
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and easily replaced.

	27-04-2003 19:14									#11
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roads dont riot

	27-04-2003 22:13									#12
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Difficuilt decission but more West would be a better place for that city, so I say disband it we need good cities.

-Martin

	28-04-2003 01:22									#13
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grapes and protection of the mountain and close to home, I really like that spot.
if we settle more west, the unhappyness will kill us

btw, is there anything in the city we can sell/do be4 disbanding it?

	28-04-2003 04:51									#14
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Yes lets get shot of it, we could attack Brun - it would be neat and tidy looking?

	28-04-2003 06:12									#15
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quote: btw, is there anything in the city we can sell/do be4 disbanding it?

Unfortunately, there is nothing to sell before disbanding the city...

	29-04-2003 01:02									#16
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As this city is toooooooooo far away, I think we should get rid of it. For placing a new one, THAT is a good question.

But the spot near the grapes wouldn't be to bad.


But again, this is only about, if we want to disband the city and I think Yes, We won't be able to defend the city, it isn't big enough that we could really defend it, so it would be better to disband and benefit the most out of it.

	29-04-2003 01:02									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin The final use of the settler should be discussed in a Turn Chat though suggestions from the citizens are welcomed and will be given proper attention.

Actual why waiting for a turn chat, you can discuss it in the forums before the chat, you can poll about it, in this way more people have the chance to decide about it.

-Martin

	29-04-2003 01:05									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Actual why waiting for a turn chat, you can discuss it in the forums before the chat, you can poll about it, in this way more people have the chance to decide about it. -Martin

2nd you But you have any good suggestion?

	29-04-2003 02:40									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch 2nd you But you have any good suggestion?

WELL SO far as I can see we have three possibilities now:

1st: Move the Settler West from Magdeburg and fill there the space of unclaimed land with a city. Disadvantage the new city is very close to the German border like Magdeburg it is now.

2nd: Move the settler West and disband it in one of our cities, we could use it to compensate the population lost in Wombatoon. So the Germans have to pay. Well the disadvantage would be a further way, but the settler would be much saver there.

3rd: We could move it far to the South, well that is the riskiest suggestion, as we have no idea what is in the South right now, from a small glance on the map I got the suspicion the Germans illegally settled a city there.

So we don't know their troop strength there.

Well, the Western spott looks like a good spot for a new city but with the German threat Wombatoon is the save alternative.

So it is now up to Tamerlin to do an OFFICIAL poll about the issure.

-Martin

	29-04-2003 04:53									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Actual why waiting for a turn chat, you can discuss it in the forums before the chat...

Discussing about it is exactly what we are doing Martin and I have already said that the suggestions from the citizens are welcomed and would be studied with great care. Yours, by the way, are sensible ones and one of your proposals will certainly be adopted.

quote: ...you can poll about it, in this way more people have the chance to decide about it.

Yes, I could poll about the use of our future settler but the constitution does not require me to do so as the "Minister of Domestic Affairs is ultimately responsible for settlers, choosing site for new cities and moving these units to this site."

I was required to post an Official Poll before we could disband Magdeburg and this has been done. The use of our new Settler is bound to the current situation, our war against Austria and now with Germany and our explorers in the south. An official poll would, IMO, be too constraining, should I post a poll it would be an Information Gathering one.

I would prefer to take the decision during a Turn Chat because all the ministers are here, or are represented, because all the citizens attending the Chat can also give their opinion (and you know that they are listened) and because this is also the only moment when we can clearly assess the said situation and act in accordance with it. This is also a way to value the participation of the citizens that are taking the time to attend the Turn Chats.

I will think about the necessity of posting a poll but if I have a clear opinion on the way we should use this settler after having thouroughly studied the map once again (and with your proposals in mind) I won't poll about it.

	29-04-2003 15:45									#21
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the decision should fall in the turnchat. Because we dont really know whats going on in the north, there may have been already settled another city or armys come along.We should see what happen in the next turnchat.
Basicly i prefer a new city.

Greetings

huhahu