26-04-2003 19:59									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: ...and then in the belief that they could do it again, the Israelies essentially annexed the conquered territories and ignored the inital peace feelers put forward by Sadat. ahh! so that's what the Khartoum declaration was all about!

But it's all Zionist propaganda, dont you know?

	26-04-2003 20:09									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Edan, why do you believe the USSR tried to provoke a war?

Offhand, I think it was the left hand not knowing what the right hand was doing - ie, some people in power in Russia felt a mid-east war would help shift the balance of power in the region. Or, possibly, a war in and of itself wasn't needed, just the bluff of one, in order to change the balance of power - which might explain Russia's stopping Egypt from initiating Operation Dawn. Or to show that the imperialist zionist pig(tm) was an aggessor. Or it was merely part of the geopolitical game of chess the Russians had with the US.

	26-04-2003 20:24									#63
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I don't think that the soviet union was the driving force in that war. Nasser got support from the SU, and now he felt that he can wiggle his **** around, by trying to strangle Israel's energetic supply.

	26-04-2003 20:36									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I don't think that the soviet union was the driving force in that war.

Well, sure. There probably would have been a war (eventually) with or without the false intelligence reports - thats why I listed a number of causes.

	26-04-2003 21:50									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Edan Well, sure. There probably would have been a war (eventually) with or without the false intelligence reports - thats why I listed a number of causes.

I think you underestimate the USSR.

Whether the Arabs would have attacked without USSR support is questionable. The USSR was clearly trying to become the sole and exclusive champion of Arab causes to get the US, France and the UK out of greater Arabia. The reason of course is OIL.

	26-04-2003 22:11									#66
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Eli, all I did was spend 10 minutes searching. I searched for 'Israeli 7th armored brigade' and got numerous links, including the one you like. Perhaps if you search for other famous units you would get more. Anything I can do to help let me know.

	27-04-2003 01:41									#67
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Who deleted my post?

	27-04-2003 14:13									#68
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Welcome to the club, Insigna.

	27-04-2003 16:16									#69
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One unmentioned reason [I think?] was the Arabs complete and total incompetence on the battle field (excluding Arab Legion). Lack of pay, good equipment, and most importantly in this case, motivation. Admittedly the Jews and Israel had even less equipment and salaries to give out, considering that the Arab states had oil, but they had motivation.
If the Arabs had the motivation of the Jews, they could have won it easily, because they outnumbered the Jews. However, they did not- they were not fighting for their survival and existence. If they were defeated, they could just go back to their homes, etc.

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Interesting thread...

	27-04-2003 17:40									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Zevico One unmentioned reason [I think?] was the Arabs complete and total incompetence on the battle field (excluding Arab Legion). Lack of pay, good equipment, and most importantly in this case, motivation. Admittedly the Jews and Israel had even less equipment and salaries to give out, considering that the Arab states had oil, but they had motivation. If the Arabs had the motivation of the Jews, they could have won it easily, because they outnumbered the Jews. However, they did not- they were not fighting for their survival and existence. If they were defeated, they could just go back to their homes, etc.

hi ,

, .....

actually the word " survival " would do more good , it was either fight or be pushed into the sea , .....

if you put an injured person in a death street he shall fight to get to the other end , .... no matter what the cost is , ......

that and the help of some old written words helps us to stand where we stand today , ....

have a nice day

	28-04-2003 03:39									#72
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I really recommend the book edan recommended.

	28-04-2003 03:42									#73
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Second recommendation already. Looks like I have to get it.

	28-04-2003 05:18									#74
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hi ,

heroes of Israel is also a good book

have a nice day

	28-04-2003 06:17									#75
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Not that I have it. But I've read very good reviews, and I understand that he actually used tons and tons of evidence and interviews of the Israeli side.

	28-04-2003 06:25									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov Not that I have it. But I've read very good reviews, and I understand that he actually used tons and tons of evidence and interviews of the Israeli side.

hi ,




about what book are you refering now Siro

have a nice morning