26-04-2003 05:09									#1
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I have to admit I know way too little about this. I was listening this song where with interesting lyrics, named 'the 6 day war'.. you can find it on DJ Shadows The Private Press (Advance).. Anyway, it clearly sends subliminal messages because now I want to know everything about the 6 day war.. everything! How did it start, why, who, when, where, what happened, then what etc.

I figure some of our Israeli posters are experts on this subject.. I appreciate any info you can give me.

I'm off to bed now, so I'll be checking back tomorrow.

	26-04-2003 05:11									#2
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you can probably find a neat, handy timeline somewhere online. I mean, it was a 6 day war for crying out loud. Israel came, saw, and conquered.

	26-04-2003 05:35									#3
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It was back in the last 1960's. Egypt, Syria and Jordan announced they were going to drive Israel into the sea. It looked like a done deal because the Arabs vastly outnumbered the Isrealis in men, tanks and planes.

Isreal struck first, knocking out the air forces of the three nations. Then the Isreali army drove to the Suez Canal capturing huge numbers of Egyptians, raced back across the country to take the Golan Heights from Syria, and finally took the West Bank and all of Jersulem. In six days. Simply amazing.

	26-04-2003 05:37									#4
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US - size
UK - skill
Israel - experience

nothing like being surrounded by enemies to send your troops morale and training through the roof.
textbook precision, nice job done by the Isrealies

	26-04-2003 05:48									#5
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Read Six Days of War: The Making of the Modern Middle East, by Michael Oren. It's an excellent and very informative book about the war.

	26-04-2003 06:22									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Lazerus US - size UK - skill Israel - experience nothing like being surrounded by enemies to send your troops morale and training through the roof. textbook precision, nice job done by the Isrealies

US no skill or experience?

It is good, though, that three of the best armed forces in the world are on the same side. (I think we really have to include the Aussies here as well. They did a superb job in Iraq. I even heard good reports about the Poles.)

	26-04-2003 06:53									#7
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I bet you guys have never heard of 6 minute war.

	26-04-2003 06:54									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka I have to admit I know way too little about this. I was listening this song where with interesting lyrics, named 'the 6 day war'.. you can find it on DJ Shadows The Private Press (Advance).. Anyway, it clearly sends subliminal messages because now I want to know everything about the 6 day war.. everything! How did it start, why, who, when, where, what happened, then what etc. I figure some of our Israeli posters are experts on this subject.. I appreciate any info you can give me. I'm off to bed now, so I'll be checking back tomorrow.

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	26-04-2003 07:00									#9
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Pekka, we had a major discussion here on the 6-day war a few months back. The war was primarily about water resources in the Golan and the UAR's blockade of the Straights of Tiran. The Syrians were diverting the water in the Golan that supplied the Sea of Galilee and most of Israel. The UAR blockaded the Straights of Tiran, which in combination with the UAR's control of the Suez Canal, threatened Israel's very existence due to lack of oil.

Faced with this, Israel approached president Johnson. Johnson said he would organize an international convoy to run the blockade and asked the Israeli's to hold off. Well, Johnson failed and did nothing to break the blockade. As soon as this was communicated to Israel, they began the war by taking out Egypt's entire air force.

Early in '67, the Syrian and Israeli air force had tangled over the Golan and the UAR had mobilized and moved large forces into the Sinai towards Israel. The UAR then asked that the UN peacekeepers leave Gaza and the border between Israel and the UAR. Arafat began staging terrorist actions from Gaza.

The Syrians and Jordanians also mobilized. Ditto Iraq. Iraqi and Jordanian forces were placed under UAR command.

Nasser made it clear that he intended to destroy Israel. He actually launched an attack, IIRC, on June 3. We got wind of this, told the USSR, who persuaded the UAR to stop. They did.

But the Israeli's then attacked themselves. On day 1, they destroyed the UAR air force in Egypt, the Jordanian air force, the Iraqi air force at H3, and the Syrian air force. Sharon then took Gaza and the Sinai with armor. Airborne took Tiran. Next, the airborne and infantry took the West bank. Armor then attached the Golan beginning on June 11. They were driving hard on Damascus when the Soviets threatened to invade if the Israeli's did not stop.

We asked them to stop and they did.

The USSR treated the invasion of Syria as aggression. The UN resolutions 'til that time were more of the "please stop fighting" variety. After the June 11 attack on Syria, the USSR declared Israel to be a naked aggressor. The UN resolutions from this point on began demanding not only a cease-fire, but also an Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories.

In the middle of all this, the Israeli's attacked one of our spy vessels off the coast of the Sinai. The Americans on board insisted that the Israeli's knew it was an American ship.

The Israeli's apparently stopped the attack only after a phone call between president Johnson and the Israeli prime minister, IIRC.

I also believe we became a little more forceful in threatening the USSR with war if they invaded after this phone call.

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	26-04-2003 07:09									#10
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In the 73 war, Nixon told the Soviet to stand down or face the entire US Force. He also move the defcon level up to either 4 or 3.
IN the 67 war, after the attack on our ship, a lot of Navy men at MI wanted to go kick the Israeli's ass, to teach them a lesson about attacking us.

	26-04-2003 07:34									#11
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quote: Isreal struck first, knocking out the air forces of the three nations. Then the Isreali army drove to the Suez Canal capturing huge numbers of Egyptians, raced back across the country to take the Golan Heights from Syria, and finally took the West Bank and all of Jersulem. In six days. Simply amazing.

...and then in the belief that they could do it again, the Israelies essentially annexed the conquered territories and ignored the inital peace feelers put forward by Sadat.

	26-04-2003 10:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Case ...and then in the belief that they could do it again, the Israelies essentially annexed the conquered territories and ignored the inital peace feelers put forward by Sadat.

No. Israel had attempted several times to offer several proposals offering land for peace in the late 60s - they failed largely for the refusal of the Arab countries to recognize Israel. As to the attempts in the early 70s, these failed for several reasons, including Golda Meirs insistance to meet the Arab delegation face to face, while Sadat refused to do so, insisting that the US do the negotiating and deliver the lands to him. Certainly not a great prospect for peace when one side refused to meet face to face to the other. Another reason for the failure was Kissinger not taking Sadat serious - thinking he was bluffing, and the administration's general distraction of the Vietnam War.

	26-04-2003 14:06									#13
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what is this UAR?

	26-04-2003 14:07									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Andemagne what is this UAR?

Egypt used this name for a few years in the 60's.

	26-04-2003 14:28									#15
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Ever heard of the 'war of Jenkin's nose'? Brits and Spanish iirc. Brits got pissed because the Spanish cut off the nose of a British guy named, you guessed it, Jenkins.

	26-04-2003 14:31									#16
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Wasn't it about an ear of Jenkin's?

Or am I mixing things up here?

	26-04-2003 14:57									#17
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Yes! That's correct. Thanks for bringing it to mind.

	26-04-2003 15:03									#18
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The main fact about the War of Jenkins' Ear was that Jenkins was a pirate and a general all-round thug. The British were just looking for any excuse to start a war with Spain, and found it in Jenkins.

	26-04-2003 15:12									#19
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Ned :

One more important thing to add is that Israel was fully mobilized for three weeks before the war started. Essentialy, on the 19th of May, when the UN forces left Gaza and Sinai, most of the able bodied men were already in uniform.
As a result, the economy was paralised and the only choice was to either release all the reservniks, not a smart thing to do with Arab armies waiting on the borders, or to attack.
Think of it this way. Israel was under siege and with no resources, so the only choice was to try and break the siege.

	26-04-2003 15:22									#20
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Interesting stories! Thanks for everyone who posted, especially to Ned with deeper insights.

So this was right after Israel was formed then? It's amazing how fast they got their defense together for possible threats. They did exactly what they were supposed to do.. strike first, strike hard and believe in it.
Yeah.. Israelis 100, others 0
Once again the underdogs has shown the power of high morale beating the odds and pushing the aggressors back. They should do a hollywood movie with big budget about it, with huge fighting scenes.

	26-04-2003 15:28									#21
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Now that I know more about this (I already knew it was in 60's, Israel vs. Egypt plus some other countries but that was it).. actually I remember being in Jaffa gates(?) and this dude told us that it was a place for some fighting in 6 day war. Do I remember correctly?

I want to know more about the actual fighting. Everything to little details. Can anyone help me out? There was that book someone recommended.. are there any good web sites about it? I'm very interested about this.

	26-04-2003 15:30									#22
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Israelis fight like they do because they have their backs to the Med. That said, there's something beautiful in the sacrifices made for the greater good, the courage to fight at such odds...on the squad level, the individual level. Heroism the norm. What a bunch of guys!

Plus, the Israelis know how it's done, because the US had been planning just such a fight against the Soviets. Our doctrine was proven and perfected in the mideast wars that the Israelis won with such determination and...craft.

Of course, in the 90s the 11th ACR kicked their ass in training and taught them even more.

	26-04-2003 15:34									#23
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Lancer, that's what makes it even more interesting since they have nowhere to back down or flee. It's fight to the last man meaning exactly that. I like that. That's the only attitude of fighting I appreciate, and that's fight to the last man with fierce attitude, protecting own families and killing the enemies where they stand.

	26-04-2003 15:35									#24
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Pekka, do you have the 'Steel Panthers' game by any chance?

	26-04-2003 15:35									#25
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Actually I think I do.. ?

	26-04-2003 15:40									#26
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http://idf-sp.tripod.com/scenario.htm

I don't know anything about the game or these scns, but I was searching for info on the Israeli 7th armored brigade in the Golan, and found them. Might be interesting?

Anyway, find out as much as you can about the 7th and their stand in the Golan. '73 was it? What heart! I'll look some more.

	26-04-2003 15:43									#27
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http://www.idf.il/english/organizat...ored/kippur.htm

	26-04-2003 15:44									#28
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I bet Israeli posters have learned this about in school to an extent they can call themsevels experts on this issue, so can anyone forward me to right direction? I'm interested in the actual fighting. Like how the strikes were organized and planned, how they destroyed enemies air forces in detail, ground troop attack, maybe maps, numbers, statistics, stories about smaller fights, maybe some special forces action, weaponry, the actual plan of striking the enemy and how it was exectude with exact timeline (maybe with half an hour info, like 6:30 pm A company started ..... etc.), intel info about the enemy before, during and after strikes, plan B, C etc if not enough effect, important locations and their meanings, possible turning points of war to either way etc.

	26-04-2003 15:45									#29
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Lancer, thanks for links!

	26-04-2003 15:49									#30
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Oh, and if someone knows any web sites with diaries of soldiers in it, let me know!

Good example for kind of info I'm looking and the way it is represented can be found www.winterwar.com , not trying to do any commercials here but I like that site because they have info on little details too, and stories, diaries, maps.. the works.