27-04-2003 11:23									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Fez The origins of the swastika: http://www.luckymojo.com/swastika.html The nazis just gave it a bad name.

Actually, the swastika was the symbol of Hitler's church and was above the crucifix above the altar. He just slightly changed it to create the Nazi symbol.

	27-04-2003 11:59									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer I beg your pardon?

don't beg, it is unbecoming of you

	27-04-2003 13:59									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon An idiot mate of mine once had a German girlfriend who caught him playing Wolfenstein 3D. It wasn't pretty..

Why should this be a problem? My German wife had no problems with the game and I don't know any Germans who would. They are subjected to a huge amount of brainwashing at school to make them believe that the Nazis were evil.

	27-04-2003 17:12									#64
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I agree, I don't see how that game would be a problem to someone who was German. Its not like the entire country embraced Nazism during WW2.

	27-04-2003 17:17									#65
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You guys have sometimes a strange sense for sarcasm....

	27-04-2003 17:24									#66
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(was being serious)

	27-04-2003 17:25									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Its not like the entire country embraced Nazism during WW2.

Well actually most Germans did embrace nazism, just like the way most Americans seem to be embracing militarism now.

But that's a topic for another thread

	27-04-2003 17:27									#68
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I was more afraid if Roganīs post was serious too

But seriously, German resistance against the Nazis wasnīt very big, unfortunately.

	27-04-2003 17:28									#69
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A minority embraced Nazism. A few faught back (with the life expectancy that that entailed) and the majority neither supported nor hindered the parties' plans.

But yes, another thread.

	27-04-2003 17:31									#70
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That's a load of crap - I have a university degree in late modern European history - and you don't.

So there.

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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse That's a load of crap - I have a university degree in late modern European history - and you don't.

While I agree with you on the facts - uni degrees donīt prove anything except that a person has one

	27-04-2003 17:38									#72
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True

But let's leave the poor old Germans alone and concentrate on what I am starting to term the "New Germans", our American friends.

I can see a scenario in the future where you couldn't put a stars and stripes in a game because it would frighten children.

	27-04-2003 17:42									#73
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	27-04-2003 17:53									#74
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what you are alluding to Skanky is the "good German" myth. All those "good Germans" who never supported Hitler. After the war was lost its true - they numbered in the millions.

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* Skanky Burns realises that he only studied an IT course
- with zero bullshit content.

You may have won this round...

	27-04-2003 18:19									#76
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I got a liberal education - as opposed to what you got - a technical qualification.

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quote: Originally posted by BeBro I was more afraid if Roganīs post was serious too

It wasn't sarcasm. There was a hint of irony in there, but most was serious. Why, what's your problem?

	27-04-2003 19:16									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident don't beg, it is unbecoming of you

Just what the hell did you mean by saying what you did?

	27-04-2003 19:41									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh It wasn't sarcasm. There was a hint of irony in there, but most was serious. Why, what's your problem?

AFAIK Sarcasm can be achieved by ironic language (donīt have any definition here I admit). Would have to look it up again, but IMO no thing to start the flame war about

quote: They are subjected to a huge amount of brainwashing at school to make them believe that the Nazis were evil

This was the part I worried about.

	27-04-2003 19:42									#80
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Who needs to be "brainwashed" into thinking Nazis are evil?

	27-04-2003 19:44									#81
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That was exactly what I thought. Letīs hope this is the ironic part.

	27-04-2003 19:55									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui HoI is a made by a Swedish company. They have laws against showing 'hate speech'. Of course in Sweden, Nazi Swastikas and Japanese flags are hate speech while Russian hammer and sickles aren't .

Incorrect. Using a swastika isn't forbidden in Sweden. The "hate speech" law is you are talking about is just a law against severe negative agitation pointed at groups of people.

	27-04-2003 21:03									#83
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I agree that PC in games is wrong and games shouldn't teach alternate history, but I respect the laws of Democratic nations. If Germans want Swastikas to be illegal, then so be it.

	27-04-2003 21:29									#84
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro This was the part I worried about.

That was the slightly ironic part. I gather it has changed a bit now, but when my wife was at school she was forced to take classes which taught that facism was evil. They were shown lots of video documentaries about the holocault and stuff, and even had lessons about why the USA is such a wonderful country - freedom and democracy and all.

So it was brainwashing - but it was 'good' brainwashing.

	28-04-2003 22:21									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Just what the hell did you mean by saying what you did?

I really don't know what I meant. Try not to get defensive about it. It was just a troll like response I threw out there. Sometimes when I see everyone else trolling, I can't help myself, and I do it too. But I don't consider myself a troll for the most part.

	28-04-2003 22:48									#86
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I play a game called IL2 sturmovik and its expansion Forgotten Battles.
WW2 air combat simulator set on the Russian front.
No swastikas on the tail as there should be.Kind of bothered me at first but at least you can make your own skins and include it.
The game was made by Oleg Maddox (a Russian) and I guess drawing swastikas leaves a bad taste in his mouth.(he also seems quite biased toward Russian planes since they greatly outclass the german planes in the game).
On their official website you cant even post a pic of your plane if it has a swastika on it.

Seems a bit too PC to me tho.
History cant be changed nor should it be sanitized and ignored.