26-04-2003 07:11									#1
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I've been having a look at Hearts of Iron. Looks like my kind of game - World War 2 smash and grab

One thing surprised me - there are no swastikas on the German units. They seem to be operating under the old Weimar Republic flag. Same with the Japanese - no rising run flags! They are using the post WWII flag - red dot on white.

The Soviets otoh fight under the red Hammer and Sickle.

Has political correctness gone too far in PC games? Its almost like re-writing history.

	26-04-2003 07:13									#2
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Just sounds like a major historical inaccuracy..

A game I suggest is Medal of Honor Allied Assault. The Germans speak German, and have some of the most accurate uniforms I have seen ever in a game. There are plenty of swastikas in that game, as you battle through German occupied territory. They don't give about that PC crap.

	26-04-2003 07:14									#3
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I think there are laws about using the swastika in parts of Europe. It is probably the idea of some lawyer.

	26-04-2003 07:18									#4
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The absense of swastikas is simple, and has been around for a while, at least since Panzer General, and even old, old games from the mid-'80s used German crosses or other forms of unit/national designation.

IIRC, German law prohibits the swastika graphic, so rather than doing two sets of graphics, or foregoing sales in Germany, they just use something else.

Actually, Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord and Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin still can't be beat at their scale of action. Plus you can do or download whatever graphic skins you want.

	26-04-2003 07:19									#5
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HoI is a made by a Swedish company. They have laws against showing 'hate speech'. Of course in Sweden, Nazi Swastikas and Japanese flags are hate speech while Russian hammer and sickles aren't .

	26-04-2003 07:19									#6
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well if it had swastikas they wouldnt be able to sell the game in Germany... honestly, though, i think that law should be repealed... it made sense in the late 40's but today... it's been too many decades.

	26-04-2003 07:33									#7
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Look at this game, MOHAA:

http://www.3dgamers.com/screenshots...ofhonor/18.html
http://www.3dgamers.com/screenshots...ofhonor/16.html

	26-04-2003 08:03									#8
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I think German crosses would have been better.

	26-04-2003 08:08									#9
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This kind of **** is really going too far IMHO.

There should simply be an option to disable all the stuff that is illegal in various countries.

And also the results of this crap are often not what they are intended to do. I can't remember which country it is, but they are not allowed to have red blood squirting out of characters. The result is a less lifelike game, which actually glorifies killing, rather than gore-ifies it.

	26-04-2003 08:08									#10
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Well from what I heard MOHAA has the most accurate detailed uniforms on the Germans in all FPS related to WWII.

	26-04-2003 08:11									#11
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An idiot mate of mine once had a German girlfriend who caught him playing Wolfenstein 3D. It wasn't pretty..

	26-04-2003 09:14									#12
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How widely did the German military sue Nazi party images? I know al aircraft had swastikas, but I doubt amored vehicles and individual soldiers had any one (just like Sovet planes had red Stars but tanks did not)

As for government buildings, yeah, they should have swatikas.

	26-04-2003 09:19									#13
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i've never seen swastikas painted on german tanks in pictures before... only on the tails of aircraft which had crosses on the wings and fuselage...


thanks

	26-04-2003 09:20									#14
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what about the confederate battle flag? have there been civil war games which didnt have them?

	26-04-2003 09:31									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer what about the confederate battle flag? have there been civil war games which didnt have them?

It depends on which part of the Confederate army they choose to feature.

	26-04-2003 09:40									#16
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Political correctness in games is just wrong. Teaching children an alternate history is not going to help them in the longrun.

	26-04-2003 10:11									#17
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Well, most games are self-censored in some way. I mean, only recently have games made battles as bloody as they really are. How is kids not seeing swastikas on german held buildings any less anti-historical than not seeing the realities of war and the death and destructions they cause? Things are already sanetized, so why complain that they have gone a little further?

	26-04-2003 10:54									#18
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Because we want to see little swastikas on Germany you ninny.

	26-04-2003 11:10									#19
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As long as we make war in games fulfill its full glory!

	26-04-2003 11:22									#20
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What do you think we're trying to do?!

	26-04-2003 11:24									#21
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get a symbol common in hindu and Native American jewlery back in?

	26-04-2003 11:27									#22
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quote: An idiot mate of mine once had a German girlfriend who caught him playing Wolfenstein 3D. It wasn't pretty..

that would suck

political correctness sucks, but its a neccesary evil because some people cant handle being insulted

	26-04-2003 11:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon An idiot mate of mine once had a German girlfriend who caught him playing Wolfenstein 3D. It wasn't pretty..

in wolf arent you a jew fighting for your freedom and the overthrowing of hitler?

	26-04-2003 11:35									#24
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No, you are American soldier "B.J. Blackowitz". I don't think he was supposed to be a Jew, but maybe you could assume it from the last name.

	26-04-2003 11:36									#25
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something like that, but fact is an average American wouldnt want to go to Europe and see a guy playing a game where they kill KKK members. We'd all like to forget certain things, but we cant.

	26-04-2003 11:37									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us something like that, but fact is an average American wouldnt want to go to Europe and see a guy playing a game where they kill KKK members. We'd all like to forget certain things, but we cant.

i'd play that game.

	26-04-2003 11:40									#27
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I said AVERAGE. We here at Apolyton are definetly not that

	26-04-2003 11:44									#28
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Sure an average guy would dude!!

That would be the SWEETEST game!

	26-04-2003 11:45									#29
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and we could still be named BJ Blackowitz the african american jew