27-04-2003 01:58									#1
	590bc (98): Orders, Results, Discussion Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

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	27-04-2003 02:23									#2
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590BC Military orders :
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Scouts and Patrols:

Bulgar Warriors - NW
Watch Rider - Remain Fortified
Jungle Patrol - E
Feocalvos - NW (Attack barbarian if still there)
Guardia Observatoria - W
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Operation Engineering Payment:

First Rider - NE, E
Watch Rider 2 - SE, S
Madrid Expedition - E
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Last edited by dejon on 29-04-2003 at 21:26

	27-04-2003 04:09									#3
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Announcement

The Department of Public Works proudly announces the grand opening of a mine at Toledo. Tile workers are encouraged to exploit these shields for the good of Espania.
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590 bc public works


Afornunadero, Winter's surf, Rube_Maser
mine Vigo 5
(turns 4,5,6 of 6)

History Guy,Arneleus
road Toledo 15
(turns 1,2 of 6)

Astrologix, Visigoth, Dejon
continue mine Leon 14
(turns 12,13,14 of 18)

King's surf roads
(turn 3 of 6)

new Madrid worker
(give him a name)
moves nw and mines Madrid 8
(turn 1 of 12)


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590 western region intercity wf plan

Vigo, 2,5,8 (-2 food +1 shield gross and net for Vigo)
Santiago 3,6 (looses a wasted shield so even)
Leon 1,3 (+ 2 shield gross +1 shield net and still grows!)



590 BC Dukedom of Leon

wf see intercity plan above
1 mined grass
3 mined grass
if intercity plan is not accepted, Leon remains 4,5 and wastes 4 food

In any event, this is just for one turn

food +2
box
19,20 of 20
growing next turn

shield 3 gross yielding 2

producing
worker shield 4,5 of 10
queue empty

Manuel de Leon

	27-04-2003 12:05									#4
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Pamplona: grows to size 5 this turn, please add the new WF as usual:

code:
    #2, shielded grassland
    #7, cattle bonus
    #8, cattle bonus
    #19, shielded grassland
    #20, grassland - new

	27-04-2003 15:47									#5
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with two luxuries, Pamlona won't go into civil disorder even if an unhappy citizend appears, because there would still be more happy citizens than unhappy ones.

	27-04-2003 20:33									#6
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Barcelona : no changes


I am a bit worried with the size of Barcelona : 5 pop (grow to 6 pop in 9 turns). In case of jumping the palace within the next turns, Pamplona should be 6 or 7, and the current settler production should be changed to another thing.

Please be careful with that

	27-04-2003 21:01									#7
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Madrid Disease Eradication Program

Worker built (see RC's orders for what he does), set build to worker. Set WF to 4-5, 5 SPT, 2 Surplus Food. Worker complete in 2 turns.

No WF changes over the build time.

E_T

	27-04-2003 21:03									#8
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Valincia (sp) - no change for now, I still have to do a detailed plot of it...

E_T

	27-04-2003 21:04									#9
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Name the workers, Castor and Pollox. They will more than likely be working together for quite a while.

E_T

	29-04-2003 07:33									#10
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No changes for Toledo. The Church is, I believe, heading for four turns.

	29-04-2003 14:30									#11
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Speaking of the Palace jump, when it happens, the city with the largest pop will be the new palace location. Now Pamplona is the preferred location. Yes, the settler build there will lower the pop, but that city is awash with food. The risk is Barcelona. Here is another size 5 that is making a boat. We should strongly consider placing a worker or 2 in that queue after the current build insure Pamplona is top pop.

And we could use the workers for the spice highway project.

The second boat from Barcelona is illadvised. It will not be able to contribute to the GS war due to timing.

	29-04-2003 15:10									#12
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I agree with Astrologix. If the other cities have to build settlers/workers to ensure that they are not the ones with the highest population then maybe Pamplona should put some other thing in its queue.

	29-04-2003 15:37									#13
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The High Lord of Vigo has come down from his mountain resort to view the construction of a courthouse.

-Weeeell, I'd really like to see some more trade going on here...
-But Sire, we've been working for months to complete this!
-Are you disobeying my orders?
Well, anyway, Next time I come here I want a fully armed and operational marketplace, now get to it!

	29-04-2003 16:17									#14
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Since we are going to be needing commerce so that we can try to research someting in the future, I suggest that Pamplona change it's build to a Market Place. I'm sure that the Palace would jump there as long as it's a size 6 and Barcelona is a size 5. If they're both the same size(5) then it comes down to which city has the most other cities around it with population of those cities being a factor. This again points to Pamplona over Barcelona since Barcelona is pretty much all alone and Pamplona has a few cities near it. It may even jump to Pamplona if it's a size 4 and Barcelona is a size 5, because of the number of population points that are nearer to Pamplona.

To make a long story short as long as Pamplona's population is greater than or equal to Barcelona's, then the Palace will jump to Pamplona.

Still, building a marketplace in Pamplona would be a smart move, a Settler could follow it.

	29-04-2003 16:33									#15
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We could send the new worker's created in Madrid to Barcelona to do some forest chopping; this would add 10 shields to a 30 shield project cutting off two turns to gte the second Galley built. There's also a worker next to barcelona who could be tapped for this job as well. There's two tiles that we could chop, we could even do both.

Once we get a map from GoW we can then postulate how long it would be till we could get some units over and then we could ask Vox if that timeline is acceptable. By the sounds of things in the public forums and what Beta has told us, this war could last for quite a while. Maybe they'll be content with us finnishing 2 Galley's and sending over 4 units or maybe they'd prefer that we built 3 and sent all 6 at once. we shall find out soon; but lets have a plan ready for both scenarios.

	29-04-2003 18:14									#16
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree We could send the new worker's created in Madrid to Barcelona to do some forest chopping; this would add 10 shields to a 30 shield project cutting off two turns to gte the second Galley built. There's also a worker next to barcelona who could be tapped for this job as well.

I agree, for the tile #6 of Barcelona, Señor BigFree

I'm sure the Slave Master will include this work in his future plans

	29-04-2003 20:12									#17
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I would be fine with building anything but a Settler, as long as I'm told its fine to do so.

Word from the top was to keep going with another Settler else the city would be building a Temple right now.

	29-04-2003 21:03									#18
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I get my worker goals from His Magesty's Future Spain screenshot. Based on that, I assure you that there will be no forest clearing in the immediate future.

I look at that screenshot faithfully every turn to see if there are any new priorities for the surfs.

And also keep in mind that it takes 10 surf turns to chop one forest tile. Starting now would be too late to help with the second boat.

Extra workers are desperately needed to join up with the King's surf and expedite the spice highway.

Last edited by roadcage on 29-04-2003 at 21:11

	29-04-2003 21:15									#19
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A temple sounds good to me

By the way, here is the save in case anyone wants to check it until we play

http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/War...ongers590BC.SAV

	29-04-2003 21:19									#20
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After seeing the save.... we don't have the world map from GoW !!!

	30-04-2003 00:55									#21
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I am going back to court this afternoon and won't be back in my office until probably 6-7pm EST. My brother has a birthday today so after work I'm not going to have much time to play the save.

The save should be played without me.

Please follow ALL POSTED ORDERS from the Governors and Ministers with the following notes:

DO follow RC's Western Region WF plan.

Make sure the new Mine in Toledo is being used.

Do not change the production of a settler in Pamplona. That settler is needed for Madrid to be able to jump back to size 3 and be immediately productive.

The new Zaragoza Settler is to be sent with an escort from Zaragoza. The group shall move SE, S, SE

Zaragoza shall build a new Spear to replace the one that left. Make sure Zaragoza's WF is optimized for production.

Follow E_T's orders for madrid.

--Togas

	30-04-2003 01:14									#22
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I'm playing the save around 21:00-21:15 GMT time (that's 23:00-23:15 my time). You are invited to join us at the irc channel. Remember that we are on DalNet temporarily until Apolyton irc server comes back!

	30-04-2003 03:18									#23
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TURN REPORT

CITIES:
-Madrid: Worker built. Set to new worker. WF 4 5
-Zaragoza: Settler built. Set to spear.
-Santiago: Kept the same.
- Pamplona WF changed to 2 5 8 19 20
- Vigo: changed to Marketplace

UNITS:
- Zaragoza Settler and an scort from Zaragoza moved SE S SE
- Settler E from Toledo and spear NE
- Settler and spear new Vigo: S (to the mountain)

- Cutting edge guard: No orders. Stay protecting the swordmen
- First Rider: NE N
- Feocalvos: NW (to the barbarian campment)
- GuObs: W
- Jungle Patrol E (Goin N of Picahulu)
- Bulgars: NW
- Watch Rider 2: SE S

- Arnelos, History Guy, road
- new worker from Madrid: named Castor and moved NW and mine

OTHER:
slider: 0% Science 100% tax. +9gpt and -8gpt to other civs
- We have average military compared to ND!!!
- weak to Vox, ave to GS and Lego. Strong to GoW
- We are backward people
- Warmongers building Great Library, GS building Sun Tzu's

IMAGES:
http://www.arrakis.es/~oliverfa/report590bc.html

	30-04-2003 12:21									#24
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was the Southern WF changes that Roadcage implimented???

Also, we need to, whenever possible, change WF production to increase trade on turns where excess sheilds or food will be wasted.

Governors, keep a sharp eye on your cities and look for ways that we can squeeze out extra trade. We certainly need it.

--Togas

	30-04-2003 15:42									#25
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quote: was the Southern WF changes that Roadcage implimented???

unfortunately no.

And it was a one turn only swap.

	30-04-2003 15:46									#26
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA - We are backward people

Duh, what him saez ageen?

	01-05-2003 21:21									#27
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA - First Rider: NE N

Aargh - that was not the order! It was NE, E!

	02-05-2003 04:00									#28
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He might have moved it the correct way; the "N" could be just a typo. It wouldn't make sense to go east and then back west, so I think he may have made the right move. You can check the screens of last turn compared to this turn.

	02-05-2003 05:06									#29
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree He might have moved it the correct way; the "N" could be just a typo. It wouldn't make sense to go east and then back west, so I think he may have made the right move. You can check the screens of last turn compared to this turn.

I already did look at the shots. The unit was supposed to move E so it could load onto the galley in 570BC. Now it has to come back down S and then E to get into position to move onto the galley a turn later. I suppose it doesn't matter in the end, as the galley can't head back NW until 530 BC anyways. But please read more carefully.