28-04-2003 21:02									#31
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I for one do not hold that there are natural rights and rights of individuals are dependent on the culture and society. For example, France bans flag burning but the US allows it.

	28-04-2003 21:05									#32
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Libya runs the UN Human Rights committee. Enough said.

You know who's coming up for the disarmament post, right?

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 21:08									#33
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Given that nothing has been found, perhaps Iraq is the best state to run that, having disarmed.

	28-04-2003 21:11									#34
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A lack of cooperation between Europe and the US allowed China and its third world allies to pretty effectively break the UN human rights regime in the 90's. It's not even worth talking about any more; bilateral human rights regimes are the only effective tool left.

quote: I for one do not hold that there are natural rights and rights of individuals are dependent on the culture and society.

What do you know? The standard Chinese line pops up right as I was posting. How convenient.

	28-04-2003 21:13									#35
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The company I work for started this program that is suppose to help the different departments work together better. About a month ago I attended one of the meetings; twon hours of people telling me how hard their job is, and what they are doing to make their own lives easier... Nothing about working with, or improving relations with other departments. I thought I had the intended jist of the meeting wrong, so I inquired with the developers of the program, and they told me that I had it right. When I asked them if they could name me three things in that 2 hours of whining that actually accomplished the intention of the meeting they were left stupified. I then asked them to reform the program before inviting me to another worthless meeting.

The UN does the same thing, they sit around and whine about all the issues in the world that bother them, but rarely take a stance, or do anything, unless it directly affects their own country. As we all know 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

A few, select companies actually do anything besides sit around and complain.

Besides, who in their right mind would put Libya in charge of the human rights commision? What's next, France as head of the Defense commision... oh, wait!

	28-04-2003 21:34									#36
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Spiffor:

That's what you get when interests run the show. Next, we'll have a jury comprised from the defendant's dad, his inlaws, the victim's mother, and girlfriend, and the town junkey.

	28-04-2003 21:47									#37
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Yep. I'm glad this farce has made it to the press. Maybe if the western public opinions know about it, the change will be easier.

Ge:
I don't think the UN sucks at all, and I think only states-run commitees which should be on the moral high ground, are inherently flawed. I just wrote this title in order to attract readers

	28-04-2003 21:56									#38
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A thread titled "The UN sucks" started by a Eurocom sure is eyecatching, Spiff.

Human Rights is just a tough thing to tackle.

To quote my favorite comedian:

"Oh, go ahead, help yourselves! Kill your own people, we've been trying to kill you for ages, right on then!

Seems to be! Hitler killed people next door. Stupid man. After a few years we won't stand for that, will we?"

-Arrian

	28-04-2003 21:58									#39
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I know you just wrote it to bring in those that actually believe it. What pisses me of is that people denounce the UN as just a "debating society" but would never vote to make it anythign more. The very thing that makes it a "debating society", national sovereignty, is what they cling to so dearly. Bunch of hypocrites.

	28-04-2003 23:17									#40
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I have know the UN sucks for years now. If the UN was really any good they would have been able to avoid war in Iraq. But the UN sucks, so what can you do.

	28-04-2003 23:41									#41
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UN sucks. And Kofi Annan is gen.sec. only because of his skin color.

Spiff, you would better post a poll "Does UN suck?" and two options. AND NO BANANA OPTION

	28-04-2003 23:47									#42
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quote: Originally posted by muxec UN sucks. And Kofi Annan is gen.sec. only because of his skin color. Spiff, you would better post a poll "Does UN suck?" and two options. AND NO BANANA OPTION

What's the use ? Won't the "YES" win on a landslide ?

	29-04-2003 01:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by muxec UN sucks. And Kofi Annan is gen.sec. only because of his skin color. Spiff, you would better post a poll "Does UN suck?" and two options. AND NO BANANA OPTION

I am sorry, but besides being racists, this is absurdly STUPID! Koffi Annan got his position because he was an able Bureaucrat for many decades and he was elcted becuase he comes form a non-veto state (Ghana, i believe)

	29-04-2003 01:44									#44
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quote: UN sucks. And Kofi Annan is gen.sec. only because of his skin color.

What's wrong with the color of his skin ??????????

Don't like it ? Not pale like the moon outdoors ????

	29-04-2003 02:07									#45
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I am sorry, but besides being racists, this is absurdly STUPID! Koffi Annan got his position because he was an able Bureaucrat for many decades and he was elcted becuase he comes form a non-veto state (Ghana, i believe)

Not entirely true. He got the job at least in part because he's an African and it was Africa's turn to run the world. There's a lot of the UN that's run on the basis of alphabetical or regional rotation, which is where we get Iran and Iraq as co-chairs of the disarmament comittee.

	29-04-2003 02:35									#46
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The fundamental irony of the UN is that it is a democratic, egalitarian organization made up of a large number nations that are themselves neither democratic nor egalitarian. Nations who don't support freedom, democracy and the rule of law at home have no business legislating such to others. Such nations are akin to the pious, church-going pillar of the community who beats his wife and children at home.

So, yes, the UN sucks.

	29-04-2003 02:50									#47
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The Human Rights commission is an absolute laughing stock and it has been this way for years. Do you folks remember a few years back when the U.S. lost its seat on the Human Rights commission? Every two bit dictator and human rights abuser rallied togeather to attack the U.S. for the groundless accussations people like Jesse Jackson made about the last election and decided to vote LIBYA!!!!!!!! to take the place of the Americans on the council.

For years the worst & most abusive countries have voted each other onto these committees so that they can form a voting block to pretect themselves against anyone who wants the Human Rights committee to actually work the way it is chartered to do. BTW this sort of junk isn't confined to this one committee similiar garbage occurs on every U.N. committee which is an excellent reason why it should never have meaningful authority.