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Spiffor is offline Spiffor
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Or rather, the UN commitee for Human Rights.

I've just read this in Le Monde, 27 Apr 2003

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Parodie à l'ONU

UNE BIEN MAUVAISE publicité a été faite à l'ONU depuis six semaines par la session annuelle de la Commission des droits de l'homme, qui devait s'achever le 26 avril à Genève. La dérive de cette commission, censée exercer une surveillance collective sur la façon dont les Etats respectent les droits de la personne et les libertés fondamentales, devient plus manifeste d'année en année et fournira du grain à moudre à tous ceux qui voudraient jeter le discrédit sur l'ensemble du système onusien.

Les choses avaient mal commencé, cette année, avec l'aide regrettable de la France, par l'élection malencontreuse à la présidence de la représentante de la Libye, et elles se sont mal poursuivies. Au cours de six semaines de débats ont été recalées des propositions de texte qui mettaient en cause, en termes modérés, Cuba pour la vague de répression qui vient de s'abattre sur les opposants, la Russie pour les exactions de son armée en Tchétchénie, la Chine, le Soudan et le Zimbabwe pour les pratiques qui y ont cours. Les massacres perpétrés en Côte d'Ivoire n'ont pas été jugés dignes d'une résolution, et il a fallu attendre le discours de clôture de Kofi Annan pour que soient évoqués ceux qui ont eu lieu récemment. Israël a en revanche fait l'objet d'une condamnation désormais rituelle. Enfin la Commission a été incapable d'apporter sa pierre à la reconstruction de l'Irak en formulant des recommandations utiles sur les libertés et la justice.

Cette commission est devenue une parodie d'elle-même et la majorité des 53 Etats membres se satisfont de cette situation. Au fil des ans, les Etats les moins respectueux des droits de l'homme y sont entrés en nombre toujours croissant ; ils font bloc lors des votes, au gré d'alliances souvent très éclectiques, pour se protéger les uns les autres des mises en cause. Les puissances réputées plus vertueuses ont aussi leur responsabilité dans cette dérive, au sens où les intérêts diplomatiques et stratégiques priment trop souvent sur les considérations relatives aux droits de l'homme. Ainsi les Etats-Unis ont renoncé cette année à faire condamner la Chine. Même si c'est de l'Europe que partent la majorité des initiatives, elle s'est gardée cette année de la moindre critique envers l'Iran pour ne pas compromettre le dialogue engagé avec ce pays.

La mécanique de la Commission est gravement enrayée. Les ONG, qui savent à quel point cette tribune est précieuse lorsqu'elle fonctionne, appellent les démocraties à se mobiliser pour la remettre d'aplomb. Conscient de cette situation, M. Annan, s'inquiétant d'une dérive qui rend "plus faible" la voix de la Commission, a demandé au haut-commissaire pour les droits de l'homme, Sergio Vieira de Mello, de formaliser d'ici à septembre des propositions de réforme. Cela supposera que des conditions plus fermes soient imposées aux Etats qui veulent siéger à la Commission. Mais cela nécessite aussi, et c'est plus difficile, de restaurer l'idée de l'universalité des principes sur lesquels la Commission est censée veiller, sans autre moyen de sanction que la force morale et politique de ses avis.


"Parody in the UN

A really bad publicity has been done to the UN for six weeks by the yearly session of the Commitee for Human Rights, which should end Apr 26 in Geneva. The degeneration of this commitee, which is supposed to watch collectively the ways the States respect individual rights and fundamental liberties, becomes more and more clear every year and provides material to all those who want to humiliate the whole UN system.

Things had poorly started this year, with the saddening help of France, with the sad election of Lybia's representative as President. And the following was equally poor. During the six weeks of debates have been rebuted text projects that moderately accused Cuba for the repression that has recently striked opponents, Russia for its army's cruelties in Chechnya, China, Sudan and Zimbabwe for the practices in use there. The massacres occuring in Ivory Coast weren't deemed worthy of a resolution, and we had to wait for Kofi Annan's closing speech to hear about those which took place recently. Israel has however suffered from a now ritual condemnation. Lastly, the Commitee has been unable to contribute To Iraq's reconstruction by giving useful advice on Freedom and Justice.

This commitee has become a parody of itself and most of its 53 member states are satisfied with this situation. As years passed, the least respectful States have entered it in growing numbers ; they are tied together during votes, through very surpising alliances, to protect themselves for being criticized. The more "virtous" powers share a responsibility in this disgrace too, as diplomatic and strategical interests are too often predominant over considerations about human rights.
Thus, the United States have refused this year to have China condemned. Even though Europe is the source of most initiatives, it has carefully avoided this year to criticize Iran any bit in order not to make the dialogue more difficult.

The commitee's mechanics is troubled. NGOs, who know how precious this stage is when it properly works, call the democracies to mobilize to make it functional again. Mr Annan is aware of such a situation and worries about a degenration which makes "weaker" the message of the commitee. He asked the High Commissioner for the Human Rights, Sergio Vieira de Mello, to elaborate until September reform proposals. This requires more demanding conditions to be imposed to States that want to seat at the Commitee. But it also requires to restore the idea of the universality of the very principles the commitee is supposed to care for, without any other possible sanction than the moral and political power of its opinions. It will be definitely more difficult.
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I thought French commies must read only Hummanite (sp?)?

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Can someone translate that translation?

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* Kuciwalker raises hand

the UN sucks

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Can someone translate that translation?

Sorry, but trying to translate a pedantic journalistic style at 00:30 isn't exactly easy

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Is the UN or the countries that are members who suck? I like the idea of a organization of nations, but I don't like the behaviour of the countries inside the UN...

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I thought French commies must read only Hummanite (sp?)?

I often read L'Humanité, but Le Monde has a more convenient website for the news of the day.

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It reads fine. Explains all the ****ups that are current.

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Well some sort of independent commission from Antartica would surely be better suited to judge the world as an independant observer or maybe a Canadian would suffice

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Originally posted by Spiffor

Sorry, but trying to translate a pedantic journalistic style at 00:30 isn't exactly easy


Don't worry. I've understand it, and I bet that my English is worse than Gibsie's... And there is always the original French article that can be read with a French dictionary or/and automatic translator

[Or, if you speak Portuguese/Italian/Spanish/Rumanian and don't understand some part of the translation, you could try to read the French original. In fact, we all have the Latin as a common ancestor ]

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I can only hope Annan and some other dedicated people will clean this shithole well. Of course, the nations that will seat in such a cleaned toilet will taint it rather quickly, but there is always hope it will ramin clean for some time though.

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Interesting article. Like yaroslav I believe we need some sort of international platform, however, watching like the UN works in reality does indeed suck (often)

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The UN only has 53 members? I'm sure I heard on the Ali G show that there's more than 100.

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I want to point also that altough the comities like that sucks, the work of organizations like Unesco is another thing. I believe that, for example, Unesco have been very useful since it was created

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The UN only has 53 members? I'm sure I heard on the Ali G show that there's more than 100.


There are more than 100, but the article is about a commitee inside the NU

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Yes this article only describes one specific commitee of the UN, i.e the commitee for human rights.
Commitees are places where representatives of the countries' governments 'inquire' on specific topics. It is not filled with UN commissaries or such.

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The commission should be scrapped and replaced with a non-national body.

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The UN only has 53 members? I'm sure I heard on the Ali G show that there's more than 100.

Someone, please tell me that this post was parody.

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There are more than 100, but the article is about a commitee inside the NU


Ah, I guess it was silly to assume that all UN members are privy to all its commitees.

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Why would that have been parody? It's true, Ali G's show was the last memory I have which states how many members the UN has (And it was a UN worker who said it), so it makes sense to recall that memory.

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Come on ! I give this thread a provocative title, and nobody answers !?

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It's sad but true.

Finally the article shows what a laughing stock it is. Israel is being crucified only because it has little friends but the US.

True perpetrators of crimes are not even being mentioned due to criminal coalitions.

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There are 191 countries in the UN out of approximately 210 in the world. Most non-members are South Pacific islands.

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Finally the article shows what a laughing stock it is. Israel is being crucified only because it has little friends but the US.


Doing numbers to the Palestinians doesn't help.

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Doing numbers to the Palestinians doesn't help.

What are numbers(in this context)?

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I think the reason why this comittee is such a joke. In reality, no country wants to be bothered with human rights and they only want to blame the others, to further their political agenda.

China: Human rights: Bad, Business with China: Great !!

Money versus Human rights

As long as in such an important commission (sp ?) cheapest national interest prevails, it doesn't say anything good about every nation on this world.

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Interesting debate: the article shows how the member states in the UN don't take its mission seriously and use it to politic and further their own interests without regard for the proposed function of the committee...and that is somewho the committee's fault?

So the 53 members, who utterly ignore the purpose of the committee, they are fine, its the org. that sucks...

I have never understood this, well, absurd line of argument.

Here is a new one: the 53 members of the UN Human rights committee today SUCK.

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The list of members is here:

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu2/2/chrmem.htm

 
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