28-04-2003 23:29									#1
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I saw an interview with Bill O'Reilly on CNBC. His comment was that Cheney isnt gonna run for Prez (ever). That being so, the repulicans need to groom a candidate for 2008. His choice for Bush's running mate for 2004 is Condaleeza Rice.

I think she would be a very interesting choice (especially if the 'ice queen' runs in 2008).

	28-04-2003 23:32									#2
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Awww, but if D!ck Cheney doesn't run we won't be able to make jokes about George W being a heartbeat away from the Presidency...

	29-04-2003 00:04									#3
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That is interesting because I do think Cheney orchestrated the whole war on terror and Iraq thing. I do believe he is the brains behind the operation.

Condoleeza is OK. It would help the republicans image. People still don't think republicans give african/americans any jobs. I think bush has more african/americans in his administration than Clinton did .

	29-04-2003 00:08									#4
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Thats kinda the point. I dont think she should be picked just because she's a black woman but the fact that she is does bring another aspect to the game.

	29-04-2003 00:15									#5
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Would having a black women on the ticket have a positive or negative effect on voters? Would it be significant?

	29-04-2003 00:18									#6
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I'm not sure about that. I don't want to accuse any state of being racist, so I'm not going to touch that topic .

But she may swing more democratic votes that way, so who knows.

but the thing is that would mean she is the front runner in 2008. Are the republicans going to be happy with someone who stands little chance of winning? Not because of her race, but her gender. I do think it will be a long time before a woman is elected president- if ever. Certainly not Hillary.

although some right wing whackos think Hillary will be president and Bill Clinton will be the head of the U.N. Funny stuff . Could happen, but very unlikely. Hillary only has 50% approval in a very democratic state. Her handling of the 9/11 situation wasn't all that great.

	29-04-2003 00:19									#7
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I dont think having a competent black woman on the ticket would lose many votes.

	29-04-2003 00:22									#8
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I dunno, if she was the VP and the country was doing well she'd definitely be the front runner for the republicans. Besides which you know Clinton will run in 2008.

	29-04-2003 01:11									#9
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Does Rice have the Conservative credentials for sucha job though? She'd be acceptable on foreign policy, but is she pro-life, pro-NRA, and anti-big government? If not she'd never survive a GOP primary.

	29-04-2003 01:17									#10
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I think it would be a great thing, assuming everything Shi mentioned was there. I wonder about the South though... Are they done being racist *******s? Still, if they are I don't want em in my party, and Condy might be able to pull it off anyway.

How about Colon Powell as VP to Rice in '08?

It's about damn time.

	29-04-2003 01:21									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi pro-NRA?

Apparently (hazily remembered TV news segment making itself known) the second amendment was the reason she joined the Republican party in the first place.

	29-04-2003 01:21									#12
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Cheney will most liekly stay put: I don't see why he would loose all the power he has now: what portfolio would he begiven otherwise?

Powell doesn't have a chance in hell; the neo-cons and their allies are gunning for him. He will be lucky to stay Secretary of State.

	29-04-2003 01:22									#13
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Important point is that Condi's definitely easier on the eyes than many other American politicians. I mean, Dubya continues to look slightly monkeyish, and that John Kerry man's head continues to look utterly mutated. And Joe Lieberman looks like a ventriloquist's puppet. Itty bitty ventriloquist's puppet! Whee!

What? Looks are important! I mean, here in foreign countries, we don't even get to vote for the leader and yet we have to see his face on newspapers and TV on a quasi-daily basis, esp. during crisis situations.

I DEMAND PRETTIER PRESIDENTS!

	29-04-2003 01:24									#14
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Powell didn't want it (in fact his wife) or he would be there already;
Cheney will retire citing health problems

The question then becomes are they looking for someone to help GB win (Dan Quayle???), or someone who will be a strong candidate in 2008

	29-04-2003 01:26									#15
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Yeah, you heard the man... eh boy. Stefu for president!

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Wow, GWB and Dan Quale, what a team!

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I can;t see **** Cheney bowing out completely. But if we assume he won;t be the next VP, then I think governor is a better guess..quick, name some rep. Governors!

Condi sai she was for affirmative action, plus she is more of a think tank type and not a politician (has never held any elected office) so her as VP or Prez candidate is very far off and unlikely.

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Dan Quayle wasn't a suggestion, but evidence that past nominations have not been very good

	29-04-2003 01:42									#19
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Tom Ridge? He could deliver Pennsylvania.

There's also a pretty good stable of senators available...

Edit: On looking at the list of senators, there are none that really float my boat.

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	29-04-2003 01:45									#20
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"
Condi sai she was for affirmative action, "

Well the Supreme Court could make this much less of an issue if we are lucky.

I think GePap is right though Cheney will probably stay on. I think right now it seems reasonably likely Jeb Bush will be the GOP nominee in 2008, although if the climate stays similar the GOP might like for someone with better national security credentials.

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Jeb is tainted, both from savings and loan, and from all the election debacles. The reps. could do much better than him.

	29-04-2003 02:04									#22
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My thoughts are that Cheney will remain VP in 2004 ticket. Looking to 2008 becomes an interesting topic. I think that at this point Bill Frist is looking like a viable candidate. Too much time yet to tell.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Jeb is tainted, both from savings and loan, and from all the election debacles. The reps. could do much better than him.

Definately agree. Jeb is not an option.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Cheney will most liekly stay put: I don't see why he would loose all the power he has now: what portfolio would he begiven otherwise?

Cheney isnt gonna run for Prez and thats an important factor in this question. In any case, GWB selects his running mate so if he thought Rice was a better choice overall then Cheney has no power to stay. Cheney could bow out because of 'health reasons' with no loss of face and still consult on matters of importance.

	29-04-2003 02:14									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Important point is that Condi's definitely easier on the eyes than many other American politicians. I mean, Dubya continues to look slightly monkeyish, and that John Kerry man's head continues to look utterly mutated. And Joe Lieberman looks like a ventriloquist's puppet. Itty bitty ventriloquist's puppet! Whee! What? Looks are important! I mean, here in foreign countries, we don't even get to vote for the leader and yet we have to see his face on newspapers and TV on a quasi-daily basis, esp. during crisis situations. I DEMAND PRETTIER PRESIDENTS!

I want to vote for the guy in your avatar. He has a Leftyish look of fat glee.

	29-04-2003 02:19									#26
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Maybe they could have the first brother-and-brother running mates ever?

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From what I've read (might've been an MSNBC.com story a week or so ago), Rice may be wanting to run for Governor of California in...whenever the hell the next election is.

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quote: Originally posted by Kyle From what I've read (might've been an MSNBC.com story a week or so ago), Rice may be wanting to run for Governor of California in...whenever the hell the next election is.

While this may be true, Condi's direction has always been international. For her to run for California Governor would mean that she is using it as a Presidential springboard IMO.

	29-04-2003 02:31									#29
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Condi's not presidential (or VP) material. Yet.

	29-04-2003 02:39									#30
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Condi's not presidential (or VP) material. Yet.

Agreed. I think that she would still be long shot for Governor. She definately has the abilities to work herself into the mix down the road though.