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Ozymandous
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Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by Rogan Josh
Because we spend good money on this game and are still clinging onto hope that it might improve.... because we were fans of MoO2 and can't believe what they have done to the franchise.... because we can't believe that the game can really be as bad as it seems and think that we must be doing something wrong.... |
Heh, most people who played MOO1 thought the same of MOO2 as you apparently do of MOO3, especially the "can't believe what they did to the franchise" bit. 
Nah, your bias shows since you more than likely never played MOO1 so don't know what a really Macro game is and can't appreciate how MOO3 tried to bridge the gap between 1 and 2.
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That's the point - can this be fixed with patches? I think it probably can, but others may disagree. This is certainly the shoddiest game I have seen in a very long time. |
Shoddiest? How about Pool of Radience, Battlecruiser 3000, Diakatiana (sp?), etc? I have seen MUCH worse games on the market.
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And there are plenty of games (most in fact) which give an enjoyable experience straight out of the box. MoO3 doesn't. |
Again, expectations vary, because I think MOO3 does give a fun experience, but then I liked Civ3 originally as well.
I do hope that QS takes th time to polish the game as much as Firaxis did with Civ3 because then the game will go from good/fun to exceptional/fantastic.
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Ozymandous
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Atlanta, GA
Aug 2001
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by krait23
"How can a company rip you off--they didnt force you to buy this game. And you could have returned it."
They brought out an incomplete game that even if patched will in no way meet the expectations of many many fans of the previous MoO games. Many people (like me) bought it without reading through forums or testing it because they didn't think anyone would dare to screw up a Master of Orion game so badly. And because of the long wait I am sure there were tons of preorders. Those people did get ripped off. |
Hrm, where have I heard that "in no way met the expectations" bit before??  I know, when all the folks here on Apoly *****ed about Civ3! 
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And assuming you are an american, there are other parts of the world too, and imported games cannot be returned in most cases. So we were screwed, and have every damn right to express out discomfort with what they did to the poor MoO franchise. |
Bzzzttt. Sorry, wrong! nless someone held a weapon to yuor head and threatned you with great bodily harm, no one FORCED you to buy the game. There are a lot of people who waited for the reviews and general comments before plunking their money down, so if you DIDN't wait, and feel cheated you have only yourself to blame for not waiting, unless someone 'forced' you to buy the game.
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If you like the game, thats good for you. But most people don't, and the fact that the few who do always act like they are the majority and have the morale high ground is what is truly annoying. |
Gee, there goes that generic "most people" comment that people like to throw around to try to prove they have some kind of moral point. Do you have figures? Facts? Anything to correspond with the number of actual sales of the game vs. the amount of refunds or returns overall? Otherwise all you're trying to do is use general, generic terms to bolster your personal argument to appear to have the moral high ground. Unfortunately for you, some people know better than to believe general, generic terms.
Ironic that you're the one talking about "moral high ground" and then you try to use shady logic to give yourself that same high ground! 
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:27
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Its quite sad that someone would take the time to troll a near-dead forum. Don't you have some place better to troll? Some place more active where you could start a worth while flame war?
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krait23
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First... What does Civ3 have to do with MoO3? Even if there was the same disappointment about it when it came out (I wasn't surfing forums much back then so I wouldnt know), that doesn't make MoO3 any less disappointing...
Secondly... Using an established franchise and a long time of waiting and longing to sell something of low quality to people that don't bother to investigate it closely before buying (mind you, one good thing MoO3 did was teach me to never buy a game again unless I played the warez version first) is ripping them off imo. Of course some will always say its the peoples fault. If someone sells you fake game chips in front of a Las Vegas casino its your fault too for buying them. But you still get ripped off.
And lastly to comment on the 'most people' thing... Out of roughly 30 people I know personally or from my other online games who also played MoO3, two of them liked it, the rest hated it. Of course those people might be the only ones in all the world hating it, but from the negative comments about MoO3 I see everywhere, I am getting the strong impression that this is not the case.
I admit that it is kinda subjective, but you will understand that I have a hard time believing that the people that actually like the game are anything but a stalwart minority when everything I see and hear points that out.
Lata
Krait
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by SINISTER1974
Plus im not a whinny sniveling crybaby like most people in here.
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Check your attitude, or you'll be taking some time away from here. No further discussion of that point is invited.
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How can a company rip you off--they didnt force you to buy this game. And you could have returned it.
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Most industries have objective press coverage and some constraints on marketing hype. The gaming business is based on a largely captive press (how much prerelease "access" to info do you think you get from pissing off Infogrames or EA?  ) and extremely subjective marketing. It's not fraud, it's just so loose that game quality and performance can't be determined until you try for yourself.
I don't know where you bought yours, but in the guise of anti-piracy measures, most publishers require most retailers (and the retailers are happy to oblige) to have no refund, exchange only for same product policies once you've opened the CD cover. So if you install the game and don't like it, TFB, the publisher got your money, and that's all that counts.
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People rather cry about the game than to admit they have lack of skill. I have never had trouble taking out planets even with smaller force than his. |
Agreed.
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but is acting like a 3 yr old and crying about it really worth your time? LOL.
need a diaper change? |
If/when people are whining excessively, that's my concern, not yours. You apparently felt it was worth your time to put in your two cents, they can too, within limits.
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SINISTER1974
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LOL
look at my name
i have a reputation to hold up :\
no serious i didnt mean to insult anyone by calling them a cry baby. My apology.I mean i forget that im an old person now and this forum has many children in here as members. And i could see where calling someone a crybaby is an insult :/
So to all the little kiddies in here--im sorry.
and for a limited time for the next 100 forum members that post here---ill buy them a life time supply of klenex.
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asleepathewheel
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listening too long to one song
Mar 2002
time: 00:27
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Originally posted by SINISTER1974
and for a limited time for the next 100 forum members that post here---ill buy them a life time supply of klenex. |
Sweet. where do I sign up???
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally posted by Ming
Yes... your shoot them all and sort out the innocent later approach certainly has it's advantages.
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Hey! That's my line! Give it back!
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gunny123
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Has nobody played Pax imperium? Moo3 is the same game. They tok out the RTS and left you with everything else. I don't mean the games are similar i mean they are the same game. Like the changed the name on the box and made it a turned based game. Same flags, same planets almost the same races same ships same worm holes its the same game! Makes me laugh.
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Jack_www
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When I bought MOO3 I expected a lot, and got little back. I have never bought a game that I lost interest in with in a span of 2 weeks untill I got MOO3. I also dont see how a patch can fix the games design flaws. Bugs yes, but redoing the whole game through patches is not going to happen.
Most of the games I have bought I have played for a long time, and had fun with them, MOO3 just is not fun anymore.
I wish luck to those of you trying to wait for the patch, that they said they were going to put out for months now, and I have still not seen it. Quicksilver just has major problems over there, and I wonder if they will even get to realeasing a patch in the first place.
As for Civ3, that was fun out of the box, and all that was fixed was bugs in the game, the design of it was not as screwed up as the one for MOO3 was. And I still play civ3 to this day, while moo3 is collecting dust and soon I will trade it in for a better game(they told me at store I could get 10 to 20 bucks for it towards anther game.)
Again for those of you waiting for the patch, good luck, cause you may never even see it that rate they are going.
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Ghostbear
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I have always maintained that they needed to get a real patch out quickly, as much as a gesture as anything else.
They gave us the line about their quality control and all of their "processes" and the game still came (frankly) a mess.
However, I am willing to play another game once the patch comes out.
The longer they take the less people will have that attitude. Just look at how dead this board has become (both in dearth of people and dearth of intelligent posts).
My belief is that they realize it will cost too much to get the game into anything resembling a mass-marketable form and are probably going to cut their losses pretty soon.
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salamander
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MOO3 just needs its AI repaired. I am an old MOO fan too so dont you dare roll us all in with your hatred of MOO3, it is the best MOO yet. I feel a need to defend the game because its awesome even if in need of patching. If they just make the ai aggressive + the stuff on the patch notes I will be a very satisfied customer.
Galciv works great but it plays like tic-tac-toe only not as fun. so what..
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kziti kat
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fort worth
May 2002
time: 05:27
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I hardly ever post here, but on this one I had to chime in. From what I have seen at every board discussing moo3 AT LEAST half of the people are complaining about how lame the game is.
The game sux. Very, very poor documentation. No feedback on what is happening in the game. No explanation on cause/effect for spying/diplomacy/ECM-ECCM...
On top of all that the game is no challenge. The only way to lose at the game is if you go with the Senate victory option. Then, about turn 200 or so, you get a message that you have lost the game, blah, blah, blah, your empire is destroyed - game over, the end, uh, what happened?.
Everything about the game SCREAMS about a half-assed product rushed out the door. From the lack of uniformity in closing the numerous windows (some have a << BACK >> button some don't, some if you press esc brings you back to the previous screen others kick you back to the main map) to having no effective way to filter the many useless sitreps from the important ones.
I don't hold out much hope for the patch fixing all the problems with this 'game'. QS really blew it on this one. The game is a friggin disaster!
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02-05-2003 22:52
, some one should start a law - suit , ... 
, Q3, Q4....
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