29-04-2003 08:44									#1
	Help! I have a friend who is also a fanfiction addict Tired of ads?

Hello...I have a simple question, and if it were possible, I'd like a simple answer.

How do I explain to a friend of mine, who unfortunately is also an insufferable fanfiction addict, the stigma that surrounds, envelopes, and englufs fanfiction? How do I explain that this stigma of fanfiction turns only fairly poor (and obsessive) work by people who have too much time on their hands into crap?

(Sorry if any of you out there are fanfiction nuts...I suggest a rehabilitation program. )

I must find some way to do this, because she always manages to bring it up somehow. (Tell me all the ways around the most common debating tricks too. She likes to twist my words.)

Thanks in advance!

	29-04-2003 08:47									#2
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Fanfiction = Developing your own Linux distro


Sorry he is beyond help

There is nothing else we can do for him

	29-04-2003 08:47									#3
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I could never write fanfiction. I just don't have the patience for it. But I occasionally read exceptionally well-written ones, and there's nothing wrong with that.

	29-04-2003 08:50									#4
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what! no banana option?

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	29-04-2003 08:59									#5
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Hello...I have a simple question, and if it were possible, I'd like a simple answer. How do I explain to a friend of mine, who unfortunately is also an insufferable fanfiction addict, the stigma that surrounds, envelopes, and englufs fanfiction? How do I explain that this stigma of fanfiction turns only fairly poor (and obsessive) work by people who have too much time on their hands into crap? (Sorry if any of you out there are fanfiction nuts...I suggest a rehabilitation program. ) I must find some way to do this, because she always manages to bring it up somehow. (Tell me all the ways around the most common debating tricks too. She likes to twist my words.) Thanks in advance!

keep spilling your drink on her until she stops

	29-04-2003 21:22									#6
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Not fair I write fanfiction.
*pouts*

	29-04-2003 21:24									#7
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Take her to a science fiction convention, ask her "do you really want to be associated with this?"

	29-04-2003 21:29									#8
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What does it matter? Women can't write anything of literary value anyway, so let them write fan fiction... that just my opinion... at least that way they don't have to worry about character development, subplots, or anything for that matter...

Heck, if you want her to stop, show her my post and challenge her to write something of worth. I doubt she can do it, since no woman ever has.

	29-04-2003 21:48									#9
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Is she hot?

	29-04-2003 23:04									#10
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* Ari Rahikkala casts Dispel Misogyny on Japher *

	30-04-2003 00:00									#11
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Japher, if that wasn't humour I hope you burn in hell.

	30-04-2003 00:40									#12
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What the hell is "fanfiction" ? Without knowing the answer, I have to say the title sounds fairly geek-like.

	30-04-2003 00:44									#13
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Clear Skies:




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	30-04-2003 00:47									#14
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Fanfiction is just that - original stories written by fans, using existing characters from TV shows/movies/books/comics. 90% of it is utter crap.

www.fanfiction.net has a huge archive of all sorts of this stuff.

	30-04-2003 00:47									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Japher What does it matter? Women can't write anything of literary value anyway, so let them write fan fiction... that just my opinion... at least that way they don't have to worry about character development, subplots, or anything for that matter... Heck, if you want her to stop, show her my post and challenge her to write something of worth. I doubt she can do it, since no woman ever has.

Emily Bronte, Iris Murdoch, Virginia Woolf, etc. notwithstanding?

	30-04-2003 00:54									#16
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There's nothing inherently wrong with fanfiction. There's good, and there's rubbish.

Japher? Don't breed.

	30-04-2003 01:01									#17
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What? I can't have an opinion?

I didn't like "Wuthering Heights", was well written, but thats about it... I feel the same way about Hawthorne though.

"The Bell", that was the dumbest book ever, and I have never read anything else by Murdoch.

Never read anything by Virginia Woolf, but I am sure my opinion would not change.

When thinking of ppl I regard as great novelists, not a single woman comes to mind... sorry.

Some can write good poetry, and I have seen some decent short stories...

Of course this is all IMO.

	30-04-2003 01:04									#18
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Jane Austen, George Eliot, Simone de Beauvoir, Sylvia Plath...?

	30-04-2003 01:06									#19
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Not to mention Arundhati Roy and Margaret Atwood.

	30-04-2003 01:08									#20
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Sappho!

	30-04-2003 01:10									#21
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Don't make me spit! And, around my house, Plath is a swear word.

I have had many conversations about women writters within my circle of friends. We have even read books by women to test our theory. To this day we have yet to find a women who we would declare as being an outstanding writter. Some may have gotten lucky with a halfway decent book, but that is not going to earn them the grade. If you have a specific novel/book you wish me to read that you feel would change my mind; shoot.

Note: I didn't mean this to turn into a "rip on Japher for having an opinion thread", was just trying to give mrmitchell some help on how to get his friend to stop writing crapola.

	30-04-2003 01:14									#22
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I think there's something wrong with your head. In that you have it stuck up your ass.

	30-04-2003 01:14									#23
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I did like "The Secret History" by that Donna tart.

Only because it's about a bunch of Classics students who go berserk and kill people.

	30-04-2003 01:20									#24
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quote: I think there's something wrong with your head. In that you have it stuck up your ass.

Sorry to offend. Did I attack you personally? Or do you just want to argue?

Yes, there is something wrong with my head, but if it were stuck up my rear I would think it would smell worse, and be a little darker...

If it makes you feel any better I also think that there are very few writers today (male and female) that have any promise of becoming anything other than a pop-fiction writer, and an easy rip for screenplay writers.

	30-04-2003 02:16									#25
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Thanks for all the suggestions, guys.

Japher
If that's humour, then it's a fairly good attempt at some.
If you're not kidding, then your twisted little [deleted] needs to [deleted].

Well, beyond that, how do I debate with those whose arguing tactics are the type that aren't correct or right, but make you want to quit anyways, so it looks like you admit defeat?

	30-04-2003 02:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Japher I have had many conversations about women writters within my circle of friends. We have even read books by women to test our theory.

That couplet is definitely sig material.

	30-04-2003 02:42									#27
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quote: If that's humour, then it's a fairly good attempt at some. If you're not kidding, then your twisted little [deleted] needs to [deleted].

It started out as humor, but then it really seemed to bug ppl so I kept proding.

I don't think I was ever rude. I told no one to go to hell, or that I have my head up my arse, all I did was say that I didn't like women authors...

oh well, I will stop

	30-04-2003 02:43									#28
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I still don't like Sylvia Plath or Emily Brante

	30-04-2003 02:48									#29
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Sylvia Plath - The Bell Jar
Mary Shelly - Frankenstein

	30-04-2003 04:00									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Japher It started out as humor, but then it really seemed to bug ppl so I kept proding. I don't think I was ever rude. I told no one to go to hell, or that I have my head up my arse, all I did was say that I didn't like women authors... oh well, I will stop

No you never said you didn't like women author's, you said:

What does it matter? Women can't write anything of literary value anyway, so let them write fan fiction... that just my opinion... at least that way they don't have to worry about character development, subplots, or anything for that matter...


I personally, haven't read a lot of female authors I like either, that doesn't mean that no women have written anything of literary value.

Yes, you said it was just your opnion, but if you had simply said, "I don't like women authors", you would be getting a lot less grief.

ACK!