29-04-2003 22:56									#1
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I have.


When I was a sophomore, or a junior in high school, I can't remember as it's been a few, I went to hear William Kunsler speak at SMU (Southern Methodist University).
It was for either a Civics class, or maybe a Sociology class; again, time comes into bearing.

Anyway, following the lecture the students went to a protest over County Jail conditions.
Being a younger person than they, I was snatched up and taken with.
At the time, the county jail was located underground beneath the courthouse.

So we walked around out front, then through the doors, down the escalator, back up the escalator, and outside again.

Got televised and all, and was a pretty cool experience, being a high school student amongst college students.

Bottom-line, a new County Jail was eventually built.
Lew Sterrett, by name.





So leaving out the recently passed Iraq War protests, and Vietnam protests, both of which didn't accomplish much, and therefore don't really qualify for the answer to the question asked in the thread title; done anything?

Last edited by SlowwHand on 29-04-2003 at 23:01

	29-04-2003 22:58									#2
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	29-04-2003 23:00									#3
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Yea, I protested against a ticket a cop wanted to give me and I won!

I sure told him!




Spec.

	29-04-2003 23:01									#4
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand So leaving out the recently passed Iraq War protests, and Vietnam protests, both of which didn't accomplish much, and therefore don't really qualify for the answer to the question asked in the thread title; done anything?

I can understand the exclusion of the Iraq War protests but why Vietnam.

	29-04-2003 23:03									#5
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I haven't protested often, and these protests never changed the actual policy being done, since they were all protests against already decided policies.

Against France's nuclear tests : failed.
Against France's shameful anti-immigration laws : failed (and the ****ing socialists didn't cancel them when they came to power ! )
In favor of Immigrant's vote : failed
Against the Kosovo war : failed
Against the Iraqi war : failed

There are some protests that work, but they are generally backed by strong union action, like strikes. In France, there is no other way than strikes to effectively pressure the government (except bribery of course).

	29-04-2003 23:03									#6
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The protests didn't any more end Vietnam than protests ended Iraq.

This isn't to debate that issue, so please don't.

	29-04-2003 23:05									#7
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Maybe if you keep telling yourself that Slowwhand, it might become true.

	29-04-2003 23:07									#8
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Sava, maybe once you would honor a polite request.
Ever see that happening?

	30-04-2003 00:25									#9
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Before anyone else tries war protests, speaking from a U.S. perspective, no protest in history has ended a war.

Not protests in the North during War Between The States.
Not in WW II.

Not ever.

Maybe one could cite Italians and Mussolini, but that wasn't really a protest, per se.

I'm talking about, I don't know, catching dolphins in tuna nets, or something more readily tangible.

	30-04-2003 00:25									#10
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Yep. I was in a Jubilee 2000 demonstration in Brimingham and one in London that together succeeded in getting Gordon Brown to cancel £50bn worth of debt owed to Britain by the world's poorest countries.

	30-04-2003 00:27									#11
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Prolife protests out at UBC.

A fair number of women afterwards commented that the display changed their minds on abortion.

	30-04-2003 00:28									#12
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Protests for a nuclear free NZ (won).

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Cool. I was beginning to think there were just a lot of talkers here.

	30-04-2003 01:24									#14
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When I war really young and really dumb, I went to animal rights protest then my aunt and uncle dragged me along to.

Later I attended a pro-life protest.

Neither protest seemed to accomplish much

	30-04-2003 01:26									#15
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Oh, definitely.

Back in high school the whole class was pissed off that the teacher tested us on something she said she wouldn't test. We all protested, saying it wasn't fair, and she didn't count the marks for those sections.

	30-04-2003 01:35									#16
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quote: Later I attended a pro-life protest. Neither protest seemed to accomplish much.

Shi:

You will not always see the effect that you have on people. What kind of prolife protest did you go to?

	30-04-2003 01:40									#17
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quote: What kind of prolife protest did you go to?

probably the kind where they take pictures of abortion doctors in order to shoot them

Sloww: I won't talk about it if you don't want to, but I will point out when you say something false.

	30-04-2003 01:46									#18
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quote: probably the kind where they take pictures of abortion doctors in order to shoot them.

Nothing like the thrill you get shooting mass murderers.


And BTW, there are different forms of non-violent prolife protest.

	30-04-2003 01:49									#19
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I know, it was just a troll

IMO, if your goal is to stop abortions, you should be a proponent of sexual education and responsible sexual practices. That alone would curb the need in the first place. But it's so much easier to attack what you don't understand, eh?

	30-04-2003 01:54									#20
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quote: IMO, if your goal is to stop abortions, you should be a proponent of sexual education and responsible sexual practices. That alone would curb the need in the first place. But it's so much easier to attack what you don't understand, eh?

Sex isn't inherently bad you know.

I shouldn't have to tell you this.

BTW I do agree with sexual education that teaches abstinence as an effective method for avoiding problems.

As for responsible sexual practices, I say waiting for marriage counts. Don't you?

	30-04-2003 01:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I have.

You sure fooled me.
When I saw this thread I though it was going to be a whine about silly pinko lefties protesting about stuff and not achieving anything.



























Oh wait, now it is. Someone mentioned Vietnam.

	30-04-2003 01:56									#22
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Why don't pro-lifers protest the use of condoms? I don't get it.

They arbitrarily draw the line at the development of an early fetus but they don't seem to understand the role of sperm?

Why not ban masturbation and condom use while we're at it, hmm?

	30-04-2003 01:58									#23
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 Sex isn't inherently bad you know. I shouldn't have to tell you this. BTW I do agree with sexual education that teaches abstinence as an effective method for avoidin problems. As for responsible sexual practices, I say waiting for marriage counts.

Sex is bad if done with the wrong people. Waiting for marriage is also bad. Sex is an important part of a relationship. And I think it's wrong to make the decision to spend the rest of your life with someone if you don't know each other sexually.

I have no problem with teaching abstinence. But unfortunately, Bush's policies of curbing STD's don't include teaching about contraception at all. That's wrong.

On a side note obiwan: even though I might troll and poke fun, I have a great deal of respect for your Pro-Life beliefs. You seem to be one of the few who is sincere and consistent in your belief that life is sacred.

	30-04-2003 02:00									#24
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Sperm ain't people.
Zygotes is people.

Big difference between the two. That's the essence of the prolife position, and of science, that you need both the mother's DNA and the father's DNA to create a new person. This combination is found in the single-celled zygote, and not the sperm of the father.

quote: Why not ban masturbation and condom use while we're at it, hmm

I'm not Catholic, unfortunately. You might want to speak with them about the evils of masturbation and condoms. I'm sure you'll find the discussion informative.

	30-04-2003 02:01									#25
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Sperm and zygotes are "potential persons" in my eyes.

	30-04-2003 02:03									#26
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Sava, Obiwan : if you want to talk about abortion, please please please please do it in another thread. I know, Obiwan, that you take the issue very dearly, and that would immediately be a fatal threadjack (I think that's Sava's goal )

	30-04-2003 02:03									#27
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What about killing germs? I mean, who knows we aren't wiping out a future evolutionary chain of intelligent, sentient beings.

	30-04-2003 02:05									#28
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quote: Sex is bad if done with the wrong people. Waiting for marriage is also bad. Sex is an important part of a relationship. And I think it's wrong to make the decision to spend the rest of your life with someone if you don't know each other sexually.

I'd rather wait to make sure I know the person before getting down to the more thrilling stuff. Sex can destroy a relationship if done too soon or for the wrong reasons.

As for spending a life together, whether it happens or not, will have little to do with how sexually experienced you are before the relationship. I think most women value emotional intimacy over sex.

	30-04-2003 02:05									#29
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You were a potential hetrosexual, and conversely, I was a potential homosexual.

Neither of those came to pass either.

	30-04-2003 02:07									#30
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You were a potential hetrosexual, and conversely, I was a potential homosexual. Neither of those came to pass either.

Exactly?