30-04-2003 07:19									#1
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See if you can solve this!
http://www.chessbase.com/puzzle/puzz05d.htm

	30-04-2003 07:22									#2
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Slashdot flashbacks...

	30-04-2003 07:24									#3
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Ummmm - could it have something to do with the king not being on it's color?

	30-04-2003 07:25									#4
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1. Take Arm
2. Swipe across board
3. Declare Stalemate

	30-04-2003 07:25									#5
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There is a solution for it. You need to move the pieces around, monolith.

	30-04-2003 07:29									#6
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I know that, but in the graphic that was presented to me, the king was not on his color. A king must be on his color for the game to begin.

	30-04-2003 07:30									#7
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Are the pointy-crown graphics the kings and the rounded ones the queens? If no, then you've got a point Mono, but if yes then... *nods at Asher's post with a grin*

	30-04-2003 07:31									#8
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Actually Asher (or I should say MJW), I opened up the chess board but realized the game just started - yes, you have to move the pieces around to figure the puzzle out...but I lost interest because it's just too much thought process to waste on it - especially when I'm gearing up for my finals!

	30-04-2003 07:32									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Wittlich Actually Asher, I opened up the chess board but realized the game just started - yes, you have to move the pieces around to figure the puzzle out...but I lost interest because it's just too much thought process to waste on it - especially when I'm gearing up for my finals!

I did it the CSgeek way and used google.

I solved the problem in < 10 seconds.

	30-04-2003 07:33									#10
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http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/intro.html

say it then Asher!

	30-04-2003 07:33									#11
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I knew there was a reason CS students are said to "stink."

Stinking cheater...

	30-04-2003 07:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MJW http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/intro.html say it then Asher!

spoiler(highlight to read): 1. e4 Nf6 2. f3 Nxe4 3. Qe2 Ng3 4. Qxe7+ Qxe7+ 5. Kf2 Nxh1++

	30-04-2003 07:36									#13
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I know that, but in the graphic that was presented to me, the king was not on his color. A king must be on his color for the game to begin.

Actually, the queen has to be on its colour for the game to begin.

	30-04-2003 07:41									#14
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That's an amusing little solution.

	30-04-2003 07:41									#15
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Notation information: http://www.uschess.org/about/forms/KEEPINGSCORE.pdf

	30-04-2003 07:46									#16
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Think I figured it out. Hopefully this method of hiding the solution works....

	30-04-2003 09:58									#17
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Of course, no one is ever going to make those moves in an actual game...

	30-04-2003 10:12									#18
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spoilsport! I once beat a kid with I believe it's called 'the fool's gambit' - the one where you win in 3 or four moves. It was fun.

	30-04-2003 10:21									#19
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IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

	30-04-2003 10:25									#20
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There was a game I played in high school once where I'd lost my queen and bishops and the enemy had even promoted an extra queen.

Without him noticing, I pushed a pawn all the way to the end and mated his entrenched king literally one move away from mate myself.

	30-04-2003 10:30									#21
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the 4 move mate (With the queena nd bishop) is called a scholars mate I beleive

it can be stoped anywhere along the way (most easiliy by the move of a pawn

Jon Miller

	30-04-2003 10:51									#22
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Alinestra - that sounds like something I'd do!!!
there was this one kid I'd play on the network at school against, and he would ALWAYS nab my queen within the first few moves - but I'd end up always winning. It was great!

	30-04-2003 20:37									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Aro IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

It's not a puzzle in the sense that moves have to be forced, no. It would be pretty hard to force a mate from 1. e4.......if it wasn't, I think chess would have gone out of style long ago.

	30-04-2003 20:49									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Aro IIRC, the moves have to be forced, in a chess puzzle. I mean, the result can't be avoided. But this isn't a real puzzle, is it?

its a different type of puzzle called a helpmate-- you look to see if you can achieve the result if both sides are actively seeking it

	30-04-2003 20:55									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller the 4 move mate (With the queena nd bishop) is called a scholars mate I beleive it can be stoped anywhere along the way (most easiliy by the move of a pawn Jon Miller

Yes the four mover is called sholars mate and it is the first thing you teach kids to avoid. It is very easy to stop and the early movement of the queen prior to developing other pieces, makes her a target.

The two move mate only occurrs through stupidity -- White plays pawns to f3 (or f4) and g4-- Black plays e6 or e5 followed by Qh4 checkmate

1. f3 e6 2. g4 Qh4 ++