30-04-2003 19:10									#1
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I have recently gazed at a 5 € banknote, while I've never payed too much attention in the past.

I was amazed by the amount of things on this note to prevent counterfeit money :
- "transparent drawing" obviously (no idea of the English name, I mean the drawing you can see when looking at the note in bright light)
- strap of metal paper that glows strangely and differently according to the light and the drawing on it.
- one of the "5" can only be seen wholly if you look at the bill in bright light
- tons, really tons of very small lines in specific patterns. Some are ondulated. The distance between parallel lines is sometimes hardly seeable.
- the words EUROEYPΩ written tons of times in a barely readable font (you can read if you focus much on them)
- carved signature of the ECB


The amount of things you can find on these small pieces of paper is truly amazing So, How do your bills look like ? What is their technology against counterfaction ?

	30-04-2003 19:24									#2
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In sweden it's similar- colour-changing ink, complex metal strip, complex pattern, multiple, difficult-to-replicate colours is a constant gradient, several watermarks (the "transparent" pictures you mentioned), one set of numbers that are half-written on one side and half on the other so they're only "complete" when looking through the note, symbols that appear under UV light, hologrammatic metal field.

England only has the watermark, a simple metal strip (which, however, is threaded through the note occasionally appearing outisde the paper), the hologram, the UV-light thing and reasonably complex patterns. Simple, non-garduated colours, no provision for checking the sides are properly lined up, no colour-changing ink.

	30-04-2003 19:31									#3
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Apparently (checking the central bank website) they also have a raised area (the picture of Karl XI, specifically, on the 500 kr notes) and of course are made from special, difficult-to-replicate paper.

	30-04-2003 19:34									#4
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More info here: http://www.riksbanken.se/default.asp?id=5718&path=

	30-04-2003 19:38									#5
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In Romania they started making new banknotes from some sort of plastic material that looks like paper, plus they have some of the security features already mentioned.

You'd think nobody in their right mind would want to print fake romanian money, but I have seen many fakes over the years. The National Bank says plastic notes are harder to fake, but I don't know.

	30-04-2003 19:40									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor - "transparent drawing" obviously (no idea of the English name, I mean the drawing you can see when looking at the note in bright light)

Watermarking.

Edit - as stated by BB.

	30-04-2003 19:44									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Buck Birdseed England only has the watermark, a simple metal strip (which, however, is threaded through the note occasionally appearing outisde the paper), the hologram, the UV-light thing and reasonably complex patterns. Simple, non-garduated colours, no provision for checking the sides are properly lined up, no colour-changing ink.

The people chosen for the notes often have beards or taches (no this does not include the Queen), to make forging harder.

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If you deface the dollar, you can make it say "We Trust No One" instead of, "In God we Trust." You can fold it to make the Twin Towers two, but I don't know what that is suppose to mean.

Oh, to check my dollars I look for the tiny red and blue fibers embedded into the paper. Also, you can move your thumbnail on the presidents clothing and feel the ridges. The second way works if there is dim light.

	30-04-2003 19:52									#9
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The new American bills are designed to thwart counterfeiting as much as possible, and I believe they've been pretty successful. They are getting ready to colorize them, which will be something completely new for us Yanks. I, for one, can't wait...it's about time we had colorful bills, like the rest of the world.

Down with ugly money!

	30-04-2003 19:53									#10
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On the news this morning they are talking about adding a third color to US bills. (currently black and green are the only colors)

edit: Boris beats me to the punch again!

	30-04-2003 19:56									#11
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Will you Yanks change the represented people on your notes, or will you still suffer from the Pyramids with an eye, the "In God we trust" and the old guys ?

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Dubya will be honoured I'm sure.

	30-04-2003 20:06									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Will you Yanks change the represented people on your notes, or will you still suffer from the Pyramids with an eye, the "In God we trust" and the old guys ?

AFAIK there are no plans to change the format on the currency. When they updated the portraits a few years ago they kept the same folks.

The "pyramids with an eye" is an interesting thing. The actual origin of this is from the tenets of freemasonry. It is know as "The all seeing eye" Most of the founding fathers were members of this fraternity and a large number of current politicians are as well. It is unlikely to go away.

	30-04-2003 20:11									#14
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The plan is to add differentiating colors to the current bills. So $5, $10, $20, $50, $100 etc. will all be different colors, allowing easier identifying. The design will be the same.

I don't think it will effect the $1, which weren't changed anyway (though I can't see why not), and it is the $1 where the masonic pyramid appears.

This also means that the current batch of new bills will be quite short-lived, so the bills will likely become collector's dreams.

	30-04-2003 20:14									#15
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Boris, I dream of collecting bills all the time. Unfortunately, so do my creditors!

	30-04-2003 20:20									#16
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I have a small collection of the old silver notes, plus some Civil War-era bills. I always try to keep some of the new bills in mint condition, but then I realize I want to spend the money, dammit, so that's that.

	30-04-2003 20:24									#17
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I'm a bit disappointed that the EU didn't make the euro a plastic banknote like in Romania, Australia, and New Zealand. Paper money is boring dammit.

	30-04-2003 20:30									#18
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Are the plastic banknotes as flexible as paper ?

	30-04-2003 20:38									#19
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Yep. They can do everything paper notes can do except be torn. They last a lot longer.

	30-04-2003 20:42									#20
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I want pics of the plastic banknotes!

	30-04-2003 20:47									#21
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There's a poem in "micro writing" on my driving licence. They probably use that on notes as well?

	30-04-2003 20:50									#22
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The Australian $5 note:



The Australian $10 note:

	30-04-2003 20:59									#23
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I didn't know the Australians loved disco so much

	30-04-2003 23:37									#24
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US currency is actually cloth not paper, and the easiest way to tell counterfit bills is usually by touch.

The red and blue threads are silk iirc.

	01-05-2003 00:25									#25
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I like American money. It's elegant, not like the notes here, and in europe.

our central bank has thought of a brand new spanking way to protect from forgery. Get this: ( )

	01-05-2003 00:40									#26
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American money? urgh...I really dislike American money. It's uuuuuuugly.

The new Canadian $10 note however, this thing is a work of art:

	01-05-2003 00:44									#27
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They're pretty.

Starchild: I find a certain classical quality in them. They're like toxidos, they don't use fancy colours, do they?

	01-05-2003 21:16									#28
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I have one silver twenty dollar bill. I put it away and I forget about it when I run out of regular money. I'll probably remember it one day and spend it.

I wonder how much it's worth...

	01-05-2003 21:20									#29
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Starchild,

That's a very nice looking bill. Now will you guys please change your coins! They are just like ours.