01-05-2003 15:22									#1
	What to do with the Kola peninsula? Got spare money?

In light of the new events, we need another poll about the north. Since the marshall supports my candidature for Murmansk front commander, I have some questions.

My plan would be the following:

*Give up the cities of Viipuri and Kitela. All units from Viipuri are sent to Leningrad, all units from Kitela are sent to Tikhvin.
*Kandalaksha will be held.
*The city of Murmansk will be held, as will the city of Tikhvin.
*The capitalist supplies will land in Murmansk, move towards Kandalaksha, board a transporter and move towards Archangel and from there be transported towards the Russian mainland.

Do you guys like my plan or have anything to say about it? Please post in the poll.

	01-05-2003 15:36									#2
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the murmansk fronts comanders have done a good job, the kola peninsula is doing awesome,
Henrik was also doing a good job, with Novogorod and Kula still out our hands,

I don´t think we should give up the cities of the kola peninsula, what we need to move the KV-1 to the leningrad front asap
and big counteroffensive during winter time

	01-05-2003 16:12									#3
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Not one step back on the Kola peninsula!

Seriously, if you can hold on long enough for the armoured infantry units to arrive from England the peninsula can be held. The cities may have awful production, but they can still produce cossacks to defend themselves. If the T-28's that start off up there haven't been destroyed yet, they're upgraded to the T-34/85 in winter, which will also help.

	01-05-2003 16:21									#4
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YOP you are the Murmansk Front Commander as of right now!

Look at this thread Ive already named you Front Commander!:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...20&pagenumber=2

I like your plan and it is at "realistic", saying we are going to hold at all costs is not.

I checked I liked the plan with some changes onlt because as the war develops we may need to change it. But Tikvin must be held at all costs.!

	01-05-2003 16:28									#5
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The convoys maybe go directly to Archangels, and Viipuri cannot fall, if Viipuri falls the german and finish have a hole in the front to reach archangels

	02-05-2003 00:11									#6
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Is there a Strongpoint homed to Kitela?

	02-05-2003 05:11									#7
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Comrades!
Holding any Kola city other then Murmansk is folly. Without the road south all those cities are worthless, and the cost of their defence cannot be justified.

Comrades, do not forget the leasons of 1939: while the Finns may be meak in Summer, once the snows begin to fall they transform into ski-bound deamons. If the Finns want the Kola towns then I say let them have them: We will hold the Tikhvin-Leningrad line against their agression.

Comrades, we do not need the Kola. Capitalist supplies will not arrive in large quantities for many months, and when they do arrive they can be convienintly and safely delivered to Archangel. The only reason for holding Murmansk is that the open terrain around the city makes it easy to defend comared to the forests of the Kola, and that holding the city will deny the facists a lair from which they could possibly (but probably not) attack the Capitalist's convoys.

	02-05-2003 06:17									#8
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I agree with Comrade Casesky, We can give up the Kola in the short term.

If we do that then Tikvin needs to become a bunker last turn! It needs to happen now!

We can also try to save Leningrad but the real decision is if we save it now can it hold, because if It doesn't the defense of Tikvin will surely be more difficult!

And dont forget those Finnish Devils in the Winter! They caused tens of thousands of causulties before we finally defeated them last year.

	02-05-2003 16:13									#9
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Tikvin doesn´t even have a barracks, and the cities east of tikvin neither they do

	02-05-2003 16:20									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur Tikvin doesn´t even have a barracks, and the cities east of tikvin neither they do

That is true but I believe it is building a Kolectiv right now and a barracks could be easily rushed off that.

This is going to be a tough decision comrade.

	03-05-2003 08:57									#11
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Use the labor brigade to build a city on the river/spruce b/w chevepockets and tikvin as it will give a +100% defence with city walls +200%!! (brigade is already there)

Defend normally all murmansk front (without rush buys though) it is very strong and will not fall, i hold it without Kv1's and you have two.

Henrik can then use the 3 citys Volgoda,Chev and new city as his new front and build new cities behind it (as many as possible) so your can gets lots of Red Guards per turn.

Both fronts can later try to retake Leningrad/Tikvin etc later and keep the commanders with a bit to do in the game.

I think trying to save Leningrad will be risky but its up to Yop whether he wants to send units down to leningrad to give Henrik a chance, if not well I'd reccomend my plan.

	03-05-2003 09:59									#12
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OK Im back. Colwyn thanks for covering for me.

Now Comrades the Lenningrad question.

Henrik is authorized to do what it takes to kill the Karl and save Leningrad.
Yop you are to support Henrik with what he needs from the Murmansk Front.
If Anzac can get that new KV-1 to Leningrad to reinforce that is authorized.
I dont reccomend an airlift, it will probably get intercepted.

Yop this means you will probably need to give up cities.
I want the high value units to make a Beeline for Tikvin in case the defense of Lenningrad fails. Yop keep the Murmansk-Tikvin road open as long as you can to move units to Tikvin. Dont forget to rehome them when you get there. Start selling off improvements in the Kola.

We are giving up the Kola.

We are trying too save Leningrad and kill the Karl.

Last resort is to execute Colwyns plan of building a city in the woods at the Road Junction between Cherpovits/Tikvin/ Archangel. And make that a bunker if we lose even Tikvin.

Good luck Im not going to tell you all what to do exactly, thats what I pay Front Commanders big rubbles for. You have my general intent now execute a plan and fight the good fight. Is this clear enough? Good Luck!

Yop/Anzac and Henrik have to work together on this one. The Rodina is counting on you!

	03-05-2003 10:30									#13
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Comrades, let us not make the decision to give up Leningrad lightly. Aside from it's sacred status as the birthplace of the people's revolution, Leningrad is also a valuble bulwalk against further facist advances. Comrades, holding Leningrad will enable us to destroy facist units far more easily out side then city then if those units were roming about in the northern forests.