03-05-2003 16:55									#1
	Preventing contact! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I finally realized a REALLY easy way to prevent contact before it should happen (the whole map being explored, etc.) - I made Ocean impassible to Wheeled, and made Trireme Wheeled.

	03-05-2003 20:56									#2
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

What the hell's a trireme? Wrong game, wrong forum.

	03-05-2003 22:06									#3
	Suffering from ads?

The Trireme is Civilization 2's equivalent of the Galley: a feeble sailing vessel that sinks in deep waters.

	03-05-2003 22:42									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Trireme, Galley, same thing.

	03-05-2003 22:55									#5
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Personally I call them rowing boats.

	03-05-2003 23:30									#6
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MyOlde What the hell's a trireme? Wrong game, wrong forum.

A trireme is an advanced ancient warship characterized by the use of three banks of oars. Earlier warships had fewer banks, a bireme had two banks and a monoreme has one bank.

Later rowed warships such as the roman quinchioreme (sp?) still had three banks of oars but two of the banks had two rowers per oar. The libernian was a return to the 1 rower/oar with 3 banks. Also, roman warships were rowed free men and not by slaves or criminals.

One oddity was the ptolomy polyreme which was a kind of huge catamaran with each hull having 10 banks of oars. One account says it sank when a small wave hit it.

History lesson over.

	03-05-2003 23:50									#7
	Put an end to popups!

I never thought of this

However, I won't use it in my mod (where naval movement is the most drastic change), since I only play on bigger maps, where oceans are large enough not to be crossed before navigation

	04-05-2003 00:30									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Wheeled galleys. Archimedes would be proud of you.

	04-05-2003 10:39									#9
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

AlexnM: ehehheheheh that's a good one!!!

	04-05-2003 14:05									#10
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Yes ofcorse good, but I saw someone did this about 2 months ago somewhere on this forum
:d:

	04-05-2003 20:00									#11
	Increase Your PM Length

This is an excellent idea.

	04-05-2003 20:20									#12
	Increase Your PM Length

The Apolyton University mod over in the strategy forums made ocean cost two movement points to enter, and made all ships except the galley ignore ocean movement points.

That method still makes suicide galleys possible, just not very likely.

I like the wheeled approach though, if preventing entirly is the direction you want to take.

	04-05-2003 20:45									#13
	Got spare money?

I made ocean cost 3 and sea cost 2, but I was still worried about those little thin bits.

	04-05-2003 21:31									#14
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

i'm a fan of kamakazie galleys though

	04-05-2003 21:49									#15
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by UberKruX i'm a fan of kamakazie galleys though

yeah, I like them too.

	04-05-2003 22:27									#16
	Tired of ads?

hi ,

well locking a civ up , .....

putting cities all around it and make sure that no-one can pass


, kamikaze galleys seem to be widely used


, .. we should get an option , this type of unit can not pass over ocean , regardless of tech or wonder , ..... Soren , ....


have a nice day

	04-05-2003 23:12									#17
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Kamikaze galleys are only used by humans. The AI won't.

I find a more interesting option is to delay contact trading. In my mod, I put this ability way out in Navigation.

	05-05-2003 15:46									#18
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

I had one that took 3 turns in Ocean squares to sink...

	05-05-2003 16:59									#19
	Increase the size of your Attachments

quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Kamikaze galleys are only used by humans. The AI won't. I find a more interesting option is to delay contact trading. In my mod, I put this ability way out in Navigation.

In my mod, I put it out even later, in radio. Map-trading comes with navigation. This way, when your caravels begin to finally explore the world, your neighbours will still be forced to go to the other continents to talk to these people. It gives a definitive whoring bonus to the first Civ who explores

	05-05-2003 17:25									#20
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Also, to expand the age of sail, you can do the same with ironclads. Make them wheeled and set only coastal tiles passable to wheels.

	05-05-2003 19:34									#21
	Suffering from ads?

hi ,

another good early way to prevent contact , either calculate where the AI's galley shall be and put your own ship there , or put two or three in a row on the coast to prevent them from past sailing there , ...

have a nice day

	06-05-2003 02:02									#22
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by Spiffor In my mod, I put it out even later, in radio. Map-trading comes with navigation. This way, when your caravels begin to finally explore the world, your neighbours will still be forced to go to the other continents to talk to these people.

I'll have to give that a try. It sounds good.

	06-05-2003 02:21									#23
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I delayed contact trading too, until Steam Engine.