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Real, or parody (Time out:0 days after 04-05-2003, 12:59)
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Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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Montgomery County, MD
Apr 2000
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A friend forwarded this to me asking the same question.

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As most of you know, one of my son's serves in the military. He is
still Stateside, here in California. He called me yesterday to let
me know how warm and welcoming people were to him, and his troops,
everywhere he goes. Telling me how people shake their hands, and
thank them for being willing to serve, and fight, for not only our
own freedoms but so that others may have them also.

But he also told me about an incident in the grocery store he stopped
at yesterday, on his way home from the base. He said that several
people in front of him stood a woman dressed in a burkha. He said
when she got to the cashier she loudly remarked about the U.S. flag
lapel pin she (the cashier) wore on her uniform. The cashier reached
up and touched the pin, and said yes, I always wear it. The woman in
the burkha then asked the cashier when she was going to stop bombing
her countrymen.. explaining that she is Iraqi. A gentleman standing
behind my son stepped forward, putting his arm around my son's
shoulders, and nodding towards my son, said in a calm and gentle voice
to the Iraqi woman: "Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like
this young man have fought and died so that you could stand here, in MY
country and accuse a check-out cashier of bombing your countrymen. It
is my belief that had you been this outspoken in YOUR OWN country we wouldn't need to be there today. But, hey? if you have now learned how to speak out so loudly and clearly I'll gladly pay your way back to Iraq so you can straighten out the mess you are obviously here to avoid."

Everyone in line, and within hearing distance, cheered the older gentleman, coming forward as they reached for their wallets.. the woman in the burkha left the store in silence.

It warmed my heart to know that we, as Americans, are speaking out, calmly and succinctly (finally) to those that enjoy the freedoms here in the U.S. but complain and berate the very government (and the people) that protect those freedoms.

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seems like a cute story that is untrue or exaggerrated

Jaguar is offline Jaguar
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Cute? If it were a parody it would be very cute. But I'm not sure it is.

connorkimbro is offline connorkimbro
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Jan 1970
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it doesn't sound like something that would happen in real life. likely the author had a point to make, and thought that this story would make the point.

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Oct 2002
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how is this heartwarming?

first off the woman wouldnt be able to speak out in her country. second i hardly think he would pay. thirdly theres no way this happened in california as we are all stark raving hippies.

Dis is offline Dis
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do you have a problem with the story jag?

Winston is offline Winston
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Blatant displays of patriotism are bad mkay?

Dis is offline Dis
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well then we shouldn't be singing the national anthem at sporting events. we could get to the football action sooner too. I hate waiting all day for a football game to start.

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i hate waiting all year for football season to start. i demand 32 game seasons.

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I rearranged my days off just to watch football this year. I went 3 years listening to it on the radio. No more of that.

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JW, Is it "Expel arabs from USA" propoganda?

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It warmed my heart to know that we, as Americans, are speaking out, calmly and succinctly (finally) to those that enjoy the freedoms here in the U.S. but complain and berate the very government (and the people) that protect those freedoms.


It's clearly a paradoy. Sarcastic and ironic. -> You are in a free country were people have the right to talk freely about what's on their mind. So shut the **** up and never dear to open your mouth again unless you want to say how much you love us and that want to kiss our butt.

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the woman in the burkha left the store in silence.


Lesson understood. It is strictly forbidden to criticise the Goverment. That's a crime.

That woman should get out of her afghan burkha and pose naked on the cover of magazine to show us how much sorry she felt to have hurt our feelings !!!!!!!

Last edited by yago on 04-05-2003 at 17:04

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This is hate mail.

Dauphin is offline Dauphin
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If a true-ish story the point I doubt the most is the women in the burkha saying anything at all.

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Personally I agree with the point of the story.

The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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She took offense (at a flag pin) and spoke her mind, others took offense (at what she said) and spoke their mind.

I don't see a problem.

yago is offline yago
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She took offense (at a flag pin) and spoke her mind, others took offense (at what she said) and spoke their mind.


he, he. Make holydays in the UK, meet some people, start to talk about politics. May be an annoying expirience meeting people free to talk.

The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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Oh, it can be very annoying.

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"Lady, hundreds of thousands of men and women like this young man have fought and died so that you could stand here."

What does this have anything to do with bombing innocent civilians in Iraq? Doesn't this old man know anything about logical fallacies?

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What does a flag pin have to do with 'bombing innocent civilians in Iraq'?

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I think connorkimbro hits the nail.

The story flows too nicely, and goes too well to the point for being real. It may have been inspired by a true story though.

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What does a flag pin have to do with 'bombing innocent civilians in Iraq'?


Very true, all the actions/points in the story are non sequitur.

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bullshit, this isn't based on a true story.. an Iraqi women in an Afghan Burkha? hah dude don't make me laugh.. Iraqi women don't wear Burkhas as far as I know..

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Traj :

It is possible an Arabic woman has held an antiamerican speech at a store, and a guy in the queue answered with a pro-american speech that has pleased the others.

From this likely story, the author could have made up nearly everything in order to bring his point.

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Trajan: it may have been a veil.

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If it's a made-up story, it's a pretty lame made-up story. For one thing, considering our conditioning for "Woman in burkha -> brave oppressed survivor", the woman doesn't make as good an opponent for our brave patriot as, for instance, an turban-headed, bearded Muslim male of the age 20-34 would. Also, as other posters have said, the story's full of non-sequiturs - flag lapel pin means the cashier is bombing Iraq? Wha? Hundreds of thousands dying for freedom means an Iraqi woman can't have an opinion about her countrymen being bombed? Come again here? And am I the only one here who is kind of creeped about the gentleman who just happens to go around putting his hands around muscular fresh men of the age 20-34?

Incidentally, what says the Iraqi woman didn't speak out while she was in Iraq? I mean, it's entirely possible that's exactly why she had to leave.

And I don't think it's a parody. If it is, it's a pretty crap parody. It's not that offensive, either - it's just stupid.

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don't you guys understand?

freedom of speech is only allowed if you have a liberal or anti-war viewpoint.

Those people were out of line opening their mouths like that.

Minorities should be protected from criticism at all times.

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Gee, a heart-warming story about how people try and shut people they disagree with up. No one every debates anymore. No one every says, I disagree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it. No, it's our way or the highway.

The right has become more and more intollerant over the last two decades. You people are begining to scare me.

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Oh, and women from Iraq don't wear burkas.

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wtf is a burka?

 
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