04-05-2003 19:53									#1
	Israeli Labor Leader, Amram Mitzna, Resigns from Politics Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Another "meteor" goes down....

People always seem to be thinking that they can come out of nowhere and take over everything within couple of years. Parlamentary expirience? Pffff.

This happened to Barak who did in a few years the way from being the IDF chief of Staff to the Prime Minister. After failing two negotiations attempts, fleeing from Lebanon and causing the start of one Intifada he was kicked out of office.

Mitzna was the mayor of Haifa. He took over the Labor party, defeating veteran lawmakers and ministers like Haim Ramon and the (at the time) Labor leader and Security Minister Benyamin ben Eliezer.
In the general elections he had lost to Sharon in every possible sector except the Labor Kibutzim stronghold and among the Arabs and now he too learned the lesson and is about to resign.

Well, all I can is .

	04-05-2003 19:56									#2
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Let us all light a candle for the Israeli Labour Party.

*candle*

	04-05-2003 19:57									#3
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Oh, and of course, that press conference can always be that he's willing to join the government.

	04-05-2003 19:58									#4
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Is there any chance a dovish leader gets elected next time, or are we stucked to Sharon until his death ? (that will make Sharon a bit like the pope )

	04-05-2003 19:59									#5
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Sharon has declared this to be his last term in the office. He won't run again.

	04-05-2003 20:00									#6
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That's good news

	04-05-2003 20:01									#7
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Don't worry, I am sure you'll like Nethaniyahu or Mofaz much better.

	04-05-2003 20:04									#8
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I don't know anything about Mofaz, so please don't spoil the surprise when he'll come to power

About Netaniyahu (finally got the spelling right), I think even he is less stubborn about the colonies. I'd support any leader, even likkudite, if he actively opposes the colonization, and gets rid of the colonies

	04-05-2003 20:07									#9
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than Sharon? Sharon is the only person that removed a large scale settlement ever.

You don't know how it feels in Israel, for a person like me. On socio-economics, there is probably a single party that I support, but Its' rethoric on the arab-Israeli conflict blames it all on Israel, and I find it fricking rediculous.

I am a political homeless person in Israel.

	04-05-2003 20:21									#10
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quote: About Netaniyahu (finally got the spelling right), I think even he is less stubborn about the colonies. I'd support any leader, even likkudite, if he actively opposes the colonization, and gets rid of the colonies

Today, in the Likud, Sharon is one of the most dovish senior leader.

	04-05-2003 20:27									#11
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quote: Today, in the Likud, Sharon is one of the most dovish senior leader.

Makes me very pessimistic. Seems like fighting will go on. Is there hope for the year 2020 ?

	04-05-2003 21:22									#12
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It looks like Labor has the same problem the Democrats have in the US: they are dominated by pacifists who view their own country as the problem. Pacifists tend to appease rather than confront, making small problems larger. They also tend to conduct war in a half-assed manner: witness Truman and Johnson vs. Roosevelt and Polk -- all Democrats, just to keep the comparison simple.

However, the founding fathers of Israel all did well. This means that Labor, once upon a time, was a party more in the mold of Roosevelt and Polk.

What changed?

	04-05-2003 21:56									#13
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quote: What changed?

When the "founding fathers" ruled Israel, Arik Sharon was a Labor member.

	04-05-2003 22:37									#14
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damn I miss the founding fathers. Sure they ****ed a lot of things up, but they're better than what we have now, no doubt.

	04-05-2003 23:02									#15
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Update: Mitzna leaves party leadership, stays in Knesset ranks.

My bet: the miraculous return of Barak.

	07-05-2003 02:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel than Sharon? Sharon is the only person that removed a large scale settlement ever. You don't know how it feels in Israel, for a person like me. On socio-economics, there is probably a single party that I support, but Its' rethoric on the arab-Israeli conflict blames it all on Israel, and I find it fricking rediculous. I am a political homeless person in Israel.

Az, youre a meretznick on socio-economics? I had you pegged as a shinuinik!

Labor may die - but someone else will still have to fill in the gap between Meretz and Likud on security matters. And my impression from over here is that Shinui is too limited in its appeal on domestic matters to do that. So I think you folks are stuck with Labor in more or less its present form for quite a while.

How about Ramon? I cant see Barak re-emerging - I think Fuad is a better shot, at least hes never lost an election. But that only works if Sharon looks reasonable, i think. If labor is intent on opposing, mayber Ramon? He's at least a more seasoned pol than Mitzna was.

	07-05-2003 02:20									#17
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The Labor should pack it in.

They've lost their appeal not only because their offerings have little demand but also because the party's name has been tarnished.

The youth no longer cares of them because the Labor offers them nothing and their elder voters are literally dying out.

Ramon has very limited appeal, inspite of the fact he is the cleverest and most realisitic of the lot. Fuad poses no threat to any right winger because he is not enough of a leftie whilst all other party leaders are either failiures or have been in the frame for too long to have a clean reputation.

In a nutshell: my cat can run against any Labor candidate and win.