05-05-2003 06:59									#1
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I've spent the last hour looking at the latest save and pondering the meaning of our warmongering existance, why are we here? where are we going?

Ok really, I have some observations I want to make which I hope will be comented on:

1) Why is Imperial City producing the Great Library? I understand it is a pre-build for Leonardo's Workshop but we're still 16 turns from Chivarly and then whatever it will take to get invention (which BTW we will need Engineering too). Unless we get some other team to team up research-wise I think it is a major waste of shields which could be better spent building horsemen

2) Dreadnautica should build a Temple ASAP and take advantage of the extra cow.

3) Camp Cod, as well as most other cities should make workers pretty quick too. We have only 2 workers plus Trip, that is a MAJOR waste of our Industrial trait. If we could have built more workers before our production would be much higher.


Anyway, I'm starting to think that too much warmongering later may not be so advantageous to us. I'm starting to think we should screw the whole GS adventure for now, concentrate on the RP war exclusively and take advantage of our GA to start building like madmen. At this rate we will never be able to compete with Lego or a revived GS. China's greatest trait is not militaristic, its industrial, and every great warmonger knows that armies are much more effective if they have a massive industrial base behind them. I say build that base, then start bonking heads. Our diplomacy is arguably the best of any team and we can use that to our advantage to secure our team from any foreign meddling.

	05-05-2003 07:09									#2
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We plan of maintaining the most advanced up to date units possible which is why we are trying for Leonardo as it cuts our upgrade costs in half and could provide us with an extreme tactical edge in unit upgrade wars.

There were two camps built for the sole purpose of taking Imperial City's place in production so Imperial City could concentrate on building a useful Wonder.

	05-05-2003 07:27									#3
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We're still going to waste a load of shields... 15 turns till we get the GL but 16 to Chivalry PLUS what Engineering and Invention unless we get to trade it to whoever is reasearching them which I would assume that Lego is the only one.

	05-05-2003 14:54									#4
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Yeah, I know that Dreadnautica needs a temple (to worship me!) but GF asked for a settler from me.

	05-05-2003 22:38									#5
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Actually forget the Dreadnautica thing, when I re-opened the save it had just built a Granary so it was automatically switched to Archer I guess. My bad.

	18-05-2003 03:04									#6
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I put it to GhengisFarb to explain what Imperial City is doing. We are not going to get invention in time to build Leonardo's workshop. We can either build the great library (might be good to stay on par during the RP war), switch to the Oracle (deal with unhappiness), or switch to some other building/unit and waste shields.

	18-05-2003 06:43									#7
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Great Library might not be so bad...The $$ we save on research we can use on more expensive upgrades.

	18-05-2003 07:16									#8
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Yes. I just need to know that we're not wasting shields that could very easily gone into over 12 horsemen!

	18-05-2003 07:20									#9
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Well there's no way around it, the opportunity cost of those horsemen is lost already. Better that we use it for something which might help us a little to compensate for that loss and I guess considering the techs we have and are likely to have in the what, 12-13 turns left to build, the GL might be our best option no matter what.

	18-05-2003 19:59									#10
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It was discussed in great detail when we started, that two camps would be built to take up the slack of Imperial City building a Wonder. Unfortunately, we waited far too long to start and Lego beat us to the Pyramids.

The Great Library becomes obsolete in a few techs, and Sun Tzu is somewhat dimished by the fact that we get cheap barracks anyway. Imperial City is slowing down its production and concentrating on commerce to compesate for the slow down in tech advancement brought on by the Vox-GS war.

There is no loss of Horsemen as Camp Cod would not have produced any if we hadn't built a Wonder as it wouldn't have existed.

	18-05-2003 21:10									#11
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Why don't we snatch the Sistine Chapel out of Lego's noses when they trade us theology?

We won't lose so many shields since we'll get it when we get chivalry (more or less when we were going to get the GL anyway) and at least it will get us some happy people.

	18-05-2003 21:43									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen Why don't we snatch the Sistine Chapel out of Lego's noses when they trade us theology? We won't lose so many shields since we'll get it when we get chivalry (more or less when we were going to get the GL anyway) and at least it will get us some happy people.

I was thinking about that, I just didn't want to say it out loud.

	18-05-2003 21:59									#13
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We do have an agreement not to go for Sistine with Legoland.

I don't think that either wonder we could build would do us much good. I would support switching to a cathedral now; then we can produce more horsemen.

I have to say this now, I feel that our strategy so far has been terrible. I have a feeling that this has to do something with the lack of centralization, so that is why I have wanted things to become more centralized.

Strategy of having the camps make up for imperial city while building wonder: . If we didn't have the camps, we would have build fully functioning cities. This definatly stunted our growth. I am of the belief now that the Capital city should not produce wonders while rexing. If one wants to build a wonder, then they should start right away with their second city.

ps: GS already has Sun Tsu's.

more to come later; have to go now