19-05-2003 15:45									#61
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1000AD:
The ‘second’ best: the Russian. At this point, I knew I had already won the game.

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	19-05-2003 15:46									#62
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1295AD:
The Germans were down to 3 cities, the Japanese had also 3 and the Persians were expanding NE. Unfortunately for them, the peninsula had 3 Barbarians camps with horsemen. Some settler/spearmen teams survived the trek. Most didn’t.
The Aztec were down to 1 city.

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	19-05-2003 15:50									#63
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1295AD: wrong caption above This is the correct one:

The Celts declared war on Hannibal. I didn’t even bother. After 5 turns, we got a nice swapping of luxuries. Instant WLTGD !

	19-05-2003 15:51									#64
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1580AD:
Carthage is growing well. Too much gold. Oh! The Germans and Persians declared (again) war on me a few turn before and lost their best cities. Ah well, they’ll probably never learn.

The Germans and Persians are not the only suicidal ones. Brennus just lost an opportunity to shut up.

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	19-05-2003 15:52									#65
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1700AD: there is no point in playing on, the Carthaginian superiority is too, well, superior.

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	19-05-2003 16:02									#66
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Now, after all these screenshots, the final question: was it a PUP game?

Well, yes and no: I had planned to have my empire spanning let's say between half and two-thirds of the continent, no more, first before I wanted to keep corruption down and secondly to give the game a better challange.

Unfortunately, I went to war so many times (I NEVER started one!) that the empire growed 'by itself'.
According to my PUP principles, I let the Germans and Persians their core cities, since they were strategically and economically irrelevant. I conquered them only when they declared, again, war on me, but let their civs alive.
I should have done the same with the Japs and not have invaded their peninsula, but this time I was a bit p***** off.
I did not try to invade the Celts, in spite of their 3 luxuries, because I got them by peaceful trading.
The placement of the Palace/FP was quite awful, I admit.

So, not too bad after all. I will post some more screenshots of other games as to keep this thread alive.

	19-05-2003 16:05									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian You broke your alliances, eh? Interesting. Your rep is shot, then. Not that it matters... you've already got such a lead that they're never gonna catch you. 2GLs! Well done, grasshopper. I think the RNG was kind in this game. I got 14 of them. -Arrian

Yep, I broke some alliances, but only to get some settler teams. As stated above, I never declared a 'serious' war, I swear it.

I got a total of 7 GL, proof that you rigged tha game, after all.

	19-05-2003 17:19									#68
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Sometimes the AI just won't leave you be. So, from my point of view, if you want your empire to live in peace, you may just have to destroy your neighbors. War is Peace!

-Arrian

	21-05-2003 02:41									#69
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This is my situation at the end on my REX period. I've been peaceful up to there and managed to expand quite effectively. I went with a wider city spacing than usual (except in the desert) to grab more territory and to turn my cities in huge centers at the end. I've built the GL in Utica and have not really attempted to get the other wonders. Germany got the Pyramids on the turn of this screenshot. I had already decided to attack them, so I started to build some swordmen and horsemen to attack them.

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	21-05-2003 02:46									#70
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I've built a couple of NMs but I tried to delay my GA a couple of turns, so I captured Berlin with swordmen. I triggered my GA at the end of my war to ensure that more shields would go on building infrastructure than just troops.

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	21-05-2003 02:51									#71
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From that 4-5 turn (and low casualty) war, I got this peace treaty...

3 cities (ensuring silks and separating the iron city from the rest of the empire), 2 workers and all their gold. Unfortunately, they did not had gpt...

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	21-05-2003 02:58									#72
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I passed my GA building up my infrastructure and a little more troops to get the germans totally out of the picture. This is where I stand now. For the first time in a while, I have a free night so I'll play a little bit more. I'm having fun with this game!!

--Kon--

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	21-05-2003 18:56									#73
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Good work, Konquest. Ah! If only the Germans had built the Pyramids in my game! It was the 1 major (important to me) wonder I didn't get.

Gonna take out the Persians with Knights, or wait for Cav?

-Arrian

	21-05-2003 19:14									#74
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I intend to go with knights, as I have a nice force of horsemen ready to upgrade. Can you see any advantage for me to wait up to Cav?

I could beeline to MT and let the GL to the rest of the research for me... I will ponder this today.

--Kon--

	21-05-2003 19:30									#75
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Kon,

Knights over Cav for the Persians. The question is really Japan. By the time you get down there, they're gonna have Samurai. Therefore, it's THEM you probably want Cavalry for.

-Arrian

	23-05-2003 03:00									#76
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Ok, MS posted about his game, now I will offer up the tale of how mine played out. I didn't know at the time I played it that I would be "showing it" so I don't have as many saves/screenshots as I'd like.

Ok, the oldest save I have, from 580AD:

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	23-05-2003 03:02									#77
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Next, a save from 1100AD:

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	23-05-2003 03:05									#78
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1405AD: The Celts are coming! The Celts are coming! Nevermind that they're coming toward land I stole from the Aztecs!

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	23-05-2003 03:08									#79
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Finally, here is the last save, from 1505AD. Just take the settler that is active, move him 8, 4 and build a city, and press end turn. Game, set, match.

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	23-05-2003 03:21									#80
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First set of replay screenshots.

The first shot, from 1000BC, shows early peaceful expansion.

The second, from 510BC, shows my initial assault on Persia (which actually began in 730BC). By this time, I had generated my first Great Leader (590BC) and rushed the Forbidden Palace in Persopolis (the easternmost city in the screenshot).

The third shot (10AD) shows the beginning of my first German war (peace with Persia now). I'm rolling at this point.

The fourth shot, from 250AD, shows the spoils of the 1st German war. I generated another leader, who formed an army.

Things of note:

1) 800BC, Colossus built in Ultica.
2) 490BC, Celts complete Pyramids.
3) 490BC, Celts enter GA. The results are fairly obvious.
4) 30AD, Great Library built in Utica.

More to come...

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	23-05-2003 03:43									#81
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ARG! I tried backing up 1 turn on the replay and it screwed it up (all the city dots showed up, even cities yet to by built)!! So annoying.

Anyway, the first shot, from 500AD, shows my fight against Japan. They declared war on ME, by the way. Anyway, I have just started my GA (460AD), and thanks to Japan, I now have the Hanging Gardens.

The second shot, from 750AD, shows the beginning (and nearly the end) of my Persian mop-up operation. Peace with Germany and Japan at this point. Contact has been made with Russia, due to their Great Lighthouse.

BASTARDS!!! The third shot, from 790 BC, shows the evil Russian attack on the city of Theveste. Theveste was in fact defended, by a fortified regular swordsman. In a size 12 city, behind a river, no less. Yet the Russian regular horseman defeated him. I never forgave Catherine for that.

The final shot in this sequence is from 1200AD, and shows the final destruction of Persia, Germany and Japan.

Things of note:

1) Great Wall built 380AD by Russia.
2) Great Lighthouse built 410 AD by Russia.
3) Hanging Gardens built by Japan 440 AD.
4) Carthage enters GA 460AD.
5) Great Leader for Carthage 580AD.
6) Sistine Chapel built by Carthage 600AD
7) Leos built 610AD by Carthage.
8) Sun Tzu built 640AD by Carthage.
9) JS Bach built 740AD by Carthage.
10) Great Leader for Carthage 940AD.
11) Magellan's built by Carhage 980AD.
12) GL for Carthage 1050AD.
13) GL for Carthage 1060AD.
14) Copernicus built by Carthage 1100AD.
15) GL for Carthage 1120AD.
16) Newton's built by Carthage 1160AD.

More to come...

-Arrian

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	23-05-2003 03:57									#82
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Final set...

The first shot is from 1350, and clearly shows my revenge upon Catherine. I razed every single one of Russia's cities. The one I have on their island was built with my own settler, for luxuries.

The last replay shot is from 1510 AD, upon victory. Silly Celts!

Things of note:

Lots more GLs for me, every wonder available built by me.

I've added in some other shots (F1, F11, F3 data)

-Arrian

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	23-05-2003 13:10									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Silly Celts! -Arrian

Great game!

Yep, Brennus was not the smartest fellow around.
But then, maybe he was... he tried to blackmail me, then declared war, but never sent his invading fleet of galleys and caravels. Do you think my 15+ ironclads waiting for him had something to do with it?

	23-05-2003 13:13									#84
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Another PUP game.
4000AD: the beginning, and a lucky spot! (PTW, Monarch, Egyptians, 8 civs, all else random).

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	23-05-2003 13:13									#85
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1225BC: Sooo, Mongols and Chinese as neighbours. As a coastal empire is not viable, PUP allows you some ‘pruning’.

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	23-05-2003 13:14									#86
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350BC: things look a bit better. The Pyramids are almost done. My GA is triggered.

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	23-05-2003 13:15									#87
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50AD: the Mongols are almost history (they started this war, after all!)

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	23-05-2003 13:16									#88
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550AD: the empire has reached a viable size, it’s time to stop the war with Isabel.

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	23-05-2003 13:17									#89
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1100AD: unfortunately, Isabel sneak-attacked me. I feel so alone….

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	23-05-2003 13:18									#90
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Screenshots inversed, of course

1100AD: perfect FP emplacement (I got it with my only GL!)

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