06-05-2003 16:15									#1
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What is actually known for sure about Lego's native lands? There seems to be an assumption that Lego has a continent for themselves that is larger than our little island with two civs on. Is it possible for the map generator to do that? I'd have thought that the civ placement algorithm would rule out putting 2 civs on a small island with 1 civ on a larger island, although I know it can generate some unfair results sometimes.

	06-05-2003 18:13									#2
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I've seen the map generator do some wacky things.

In my last SP game, I started on a continent with 3 other civs, but there was definitely room for another (large unpopulated peninsula). Meanwhile, 3 civs were crammed onto a smallish island continent. Needless to say, this worked to my advantage...

-Arrian

	06-05-2003 20:24									#3
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There are roughly 400 land tiles not accounted for on BOB, our continent, and the small GoW island.

Comparatively, there are about 250 tiles per the 3 civs on BOB, and 180 tiles on our continent. So if all 400 remaining tiles are on Lego's continent, then they have a rather large landmass.

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I think the civ placement is probably quite simple. The map generator finds a valid site (anywhere with a +2 food tile in the 8 surrounding tiles), and then looks for the next one that is outside the 'minimum distance between civs' setting.

It's probably a bit more indepth that that, but however it works certainly reserves the right to screw a civ over or give them a huge advantage.

	06-05-2003 23:38									#4
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don't forget they have loads of jungle, and - they claim - not much good terrain otherwise. The map generator could for instance decide that that's not enough for an empire

Otherwise, there is a phantom continent out there, somewhere South of Lego. But I duobt it.

DeepO

	06-05-2003 23:40									#5
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There is a landmass of some kind south of Bob, but we can't see any of it yet. It's probably pretty small.

	07-05-2003 00:26									#6
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There could a bunch of small to medium-sized islands out there. So if there are ~400 "missing" tiles, but those islands add up to 100, then we're down to 300 "missing" tiles. Still a big hunk 'o land for lego.

And since they're industrious, jungle isn't as bad as it could be (better than our desert tiles, folks. Tasty grassland underneath).

-Arrian

	07-05-2003 01:24									#7
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IIRC Lego told us that they have so-so terrain before they claimed to have found another landmass that is close to their own. It could be fertile grasslands, it could be a big chunk of floating tundra, for all we know.

	09-05-2003 00:02									#8
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This is interesting. From the public forum, game reconstruction thread:

quote: Originally posted by HarryH Occasionally the greatest civs list would come up for the last civ. (NOTE: that means in our game Lego occasionally gets a tiny piece of intel no one else has )

So Lego might know more about the rest of the world than we think.

	09-05-2003 00:08									#9
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What could that list really tell them that they couldn't find out by other means?

	09-05-2003 00:12									#10
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According to Vondrack, they have seen no such lists.

	09-05-2003 00:18									#11
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet What could that list really tell them that they couldn't find out by other means?

They have the demographics screen, which only shows their own rating. The lists show them where each team is ranked, who is leading and who is dragging behind etc'.

quote: Originally posted by nbarclay According to Vondrack, they have seen no such lists.

That's good to know.