07-05-2003 04:46									#1
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A sadistic &)!#* who kills 10 people grusemly and fully realizes how bad and wrong what he is doing is.....


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A general sociopath, who has no emotion(defenition of a sociopath) and grusemly kills 100 people, but dosent feel how wrong it is


Why?

	07-05-2003 04:50									#2
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Is the first person repentant?

	07-05-2003 04:52									#3
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Both execution candidates.

	07-05-2003 04:53									#4
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Stupid poll. They deserve the same punishment. It's the intent to kill that is important, not how they arrive at that intent.

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	07-05-2003 04:54									#5
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Guy 1... no question. There was active hate involved. I'd rather be killed by someone who didn't mean it personally. lol

	07-05-2003 04:56									#6
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They should both be executed accordingly by firing squad. There should be no room for murderers in prisions or for that matter on the face of this earth.

	07-05-2003 04:59									#7
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Let those of you who are without sin cast the first stone, eh?

	07-05-2003 04:59									#8
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Hang them both and let god sort it out.

	07-05-2003 05:04									#9
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call me a liberal but i think numbah 2 is more deserving. But NEITHER of them should be executed for what they did, regardless of their actions.

Life sentence with labor is a better option.

	07-05-2003 05:08									#10
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Neither should be executed for what they did? Based on the severeity that is quite a odd thing to say. I would rather see both hanged by chicken wire.

Life sentence? No way.. possibility of them escaping. And they could find enjoyment in their work... so that is unacceptable.

	07-05-2003 05:10									#11
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fez, chicken wire's too thin to hang them by...

you'd slice through their necks.

	07-05-2003 05:11									#12
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quote: they could find enjoyment in their work

They could get off from asphyxion.

	07-05-2003 05:11									#13
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Q Cubed... isn't that the point?

	07-05-2003 05:15									#14
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fez.

perhaps.

although i personally don't know who i think is "more worthy" of punishment. both of them deserve it, after all.

	07-05-2003 05:20									#15
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Nevertheless, because they killed those people doesn't make them non-human. They did these acts, but by killing them society would be just as guilty of murder as these two individuals.

A better punishment would be ostracization (sp?) from society.

	07-05-2003 05:24									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Nevertheless, because they killed those people doesn't make them non-human. They did these acts, but by killing them society would be just as guilty of murder as these two individuals. A better punishment would be ostracization (sp?) from society.

Where could we ostracize them?

Seriously, prison is not made for rehabilitation, real labor is considered cruel and unusual punishment. I don't believe what people say about death costing more than a life sentence, bullets are cheap.

What if, with the death penalty being legal, the murderer wanted to die? Should he be forced to serve life?

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	07-05-2003 05:24									#17
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Sadists should be executed in the same way as they tortured others to death.

Psychopathic mass murderers should only get the standard execution.

	07-05-2003 05:25									#18
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I agree with the anti-death penaty feelings of Frankychan and no, i d0o not care to discuss them with the bloodthirsty

As for the case, certainly number 2 deserves more punishment. Number 1 has not only done less ahrm, but realizes the harm they have done, and can, in a sense, be rehabilitated. Candidate number 2 is a permanent threat to society and should be removed from it fast.

	07-05-2003 05:27									#19
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neither deserves to be killed

Trite, I know, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone

	07-05-2003 05:29									#20
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I would not have to be literal ostracization. Maybe a form of social ostracization where they would not have any form of human interaction. I agree ( ) with you in that prisons aren't meant for rehabilitation despite the fact that rehab was what prisons were originally created for. For labor, it would not have to be real labor, but maybe something useful like refuse clean-up or some junk.

The thing that makes execution so expensive is the right to appeal. All the appeals make the sentence cost so much.

	07-05-2003 05:31									#21
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Bring back Spanish inquistion methods. Keep them alive for 20 hours under extreme pain and then shoot them.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap I agree with the anti-death penaty feelings of Frankychan and no, i d0o not care to discuss them with the bloodthirsty As for the case, certainly number 2 deserves more punishment. Number 1 has not only done less ahrm, but realizes the harm they have done, and can, in a sense, be rehabilitated. Candidate number 2 is a permanent threat to society and should be removed from it fast.

Ex-actly! #1 should be allowed access to rehabilitation. #2 should be removed from society WITHOUT being executed.

	07-05-2003 05:38									#23
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First person should be policeman, second employed in the army. Possibly near nuclear button.
BTW why such poll and why did you evaded Bush as third option?

	07-05-2003 05:40									#24
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Raghar: Get a clue...

	07-05-2003 05:40									#25
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quote: Originally posted by raghar First person should be policeman, second employed in the army. Possibly near nuclear button. BTW why such poll and why did you evaded Bush as third option?

Take it somewhere else, or, at least, substitute Bush for #1, and Saddam for #2.

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	07-05-2003 05:49									#26
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I'd rather shoot and ask forgiveness.

Effectively, they're both equally deserving.

There's no hitch in being a sociopath - all that means is that you don't give a **** about right or wrong, or the suffering of others, it doesn't mean that you're not aware of it.

A more interesting question from a mental illness standpoint would be if Guy 2 had a number of mental illnesses (severe psychosis, schizophrenia, give the guy a whole cocktail of things out of DSM-IV), such that (a) he didn't realize what he was doing was wrong, and (b) he didn't have any awareness that to kill means permanent - i.e., he figures they'll get up later, like in the cartoons. In other words, someone who literally has no knowledge of the effect of what he's doing.

Obviously, both have to be removed from society in this scenario, too, but the question is how? Let the whiners and bloodthirsty have at each other...

	07-05-2003 06:08									#27
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Bush is too educated to be a policeman. Sadam is too tired to be in the army. It was nice idea, however.

Fez I have a clue, but... nevermind.

	07-05-2003 06:21									#28
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quote: Number 1 has not only done less ahrm, but realizes the harm they have done, and can, in a sense, be rehabilitated.

The way that I read it is that #1 knew it was wrong and bad when he killed the people gruesomely, but decided to do it anyway. I don't know if a person like that can be rehabilitated. He knew the wrongness, but did it anyway.

I'd fry 'em both. They both need to be removed from society, as MtG. Both are dangerous.

	07-05-2003 06:30									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Neither should be executed for what they did? Based on the severeity that is quite a odd thing to say. I would rather see both hanged by chicken wire. Life sentence? No way.. possibility of them escaping. And they could find enjoyment in their work... so that is unacceptable.

Hmm.......
Send them to a soviet-style prison in Siberia.

	07-05-2003 06:35									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Neither should be executed for what they did? Based on the severeity that is quite a odd thing to say. I would rather see both hanged by chicken wire. Life sentence? No way.. possibility of them escaping. And they could find enjoyment in their work... so that is unacceptable.

Hmm.......
Send them to a soviet-style prison in Siberia.