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Cal
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Hermosa Beach, California, USA
Aug 2000
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Why have the Germans break their treaty with Japan? If I remember correctly, the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis was a pact for mutual defense: any attack on one country would cause the other countries to declare war on the attacker. Since Japan attacked the United States, Germany would not be technically bound to assist. It was Hitler's decision to declare war on America, not the other way around. (Japan didn't declare war on Russia when Germany attacked it, for instance.)
Also, if the campaign went so well in Russia, Japan might've also started invading Russia from the east.
And a weakened Britain might also mean Japan would try to seize India, or Australia.
I'm just having problems seeing the Pacific war turn out so similar to how it happened in reality with so many changes in Europe.
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Harry Tuttle
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of the Hoople Heads
Mar 2003
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Well, first off, remember, this is a Germany without Hitler.
Secondly, Rommel could have, being the smart general he is, decided that Germany didn't need to have a belligerent partner in the Pacific, a partner who was showing signs of taking on the big neighborhood kid.
Also, Japan didn't have an army that could really take on the Soviet Union. Most of their troops were held up fighting in China and their tanks were of inferior design to the Soviets. Japan wanted to bring the U.S. in the war because they thought the sheer logistics of moving troops across the Pacific would allow the Imperial Navy to have the upper hand. What they didn't want was an enemy right next door. Just by looking at the Japanese war machine it is obvious that they were a sea power, not a land power.
The battle for the Coral Sea would have still happened, seeing as the United States would have been in the war, preventing any invasion of Australia. An attack on India might be a bit of a stretch as Japan couldn't make it through Burma in the first place.
As the link above states, Japan did lose the war. Nazi Germany however is still around...
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Cal
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Hermosa Beach, California, USA
Aug 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
Well, first off, remember, this is a Germany without Hitler. |
Exactly. That's what I'm saying. With Rommel in charge of things, Germany could simply choose not to declare war on America when Pearl Harbor happened.
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Secondly, Rommel could have, being the smart general he is, decided that Germany didn't need to have a belligerent partner in the Pacific, a partner who was showing signs of taking on the big neighborhood kid.
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Fair enough.
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The battle for the Coral Sea would have still happened, seeing as the United States would have been in the war, preventing any invasion of Australia. An attack on India might be a bit of a stretch as Japan couldn't make it through Burma in the first place.
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Well, if Egypt was taken as the link says, I was thinking that may have limited British supplies so much that they wouldn't be able to hold their colonies in the pacific.
This scenario reminds me of kobyashi's ZWK scenario, in which during the invasion of Poland, Hitler has a stroke, dies, and Rudolf Hess takes over as fuhrer.
Of course this has gone a bit farther. Good luck.
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