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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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This picture says"f*ck you, friend".
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
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The Taliban came a bit later, but it could be argued the US actions allowed tehm to develop. |
Those glorious freedom fighters just changed the name of their organisation. ObL and guys like him were sponsored by CIA when they fought versus Soviets
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It would be more accurate to sya the cold war in general ****ed up Afghanistan |
Absolutely agreed.
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From Russia, With Love.
Jun 2002
time: 21:27
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Originally posted by TheStinger
I think you are strectching the term capitalism a bit too far here.
In any event the Russian economy was never as good as the raw ouput figures suggested and the defence spending of the US in the 80's ruined the good bits. |
No, I am not. I suggest reading about Kosygin/Lieberman reforms of 1965(I posted a thread on this), which reformed and expanded on some of Khruschev's own reforms. These were the reforms that led the USSR to it's period of stagnation, by expanding capitalist-market mechanisms already prevalent(under Khruschev) in the Soviet economy.
Anyway, the Soviet economy would have continued to run by exporting raw materials and resources, albeit that wouldn't move it too far. IMO, the "Kosygin economy" should have been dumped in '69 rather than '89. Better yet, it shouldn't have been introduced at all. If it had been run like it was under Stalin, it wouldn't have had any problems, and we wouldn't have to see ridiculous policies the likes of perestroika, or witness the collapse of the USSR.
Well, anyway, LONG LIVE STALIN!
POWER TO THE SOVIETS! 
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From Russia, With Love.
Jun 2002
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Well, if Stalin wouldn't be a totalitarian ****, and would hold honest elections |
Eh, didn't he and his platform WIN the election in 1927?
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and would have pluralism |
I guess you are implying here that Stalin made all the decisions and controlled everyone within the Party. Perhaps I should point you to memoirs of Zhukov, Voroshilov, Vasilevsky, interviews with Kaganovich, and Molotov...Also, "Origins of the Great Purges" by J. Arch Getty is a nice one.
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and wouldn't send millions of people to their deaths because of paranoia |
What millions? BTW, do you know anything about the Riutin Affair? The Zionoviev-Kamenev-Smirnov bloc? Tukhachevsky Affair? The premise for having a large "purge"(meaning primarily forced expulsions, before 1937) was fair. However, it's what Yezhov did that set it off and made it bloody. Consequently, that's exactly why we didn't see him in his post for too long(and why a ban on capital punishment was later set). I can post the CC complaints and resolutions(against Yezhov) if you'd like.
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MACEDONIA - It's the name of the sovereign country to the north of Greece
Apr 2000
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Eh, didn't he and his platform WIN the election in 1927? |
I never knew they had 26 year terms. 
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I guess you are implying here that Stalin made all the decisions and controlled everyone within the Party. Perhaps I should point you to memoirs of Zhukov, Voroshilov, Vasilevsky, interviews with Kaganovich, and Molotov...Also, "Origins of the Great Purges" by J. Arch Getty is a nice one. |
You don't know the meaning of pluralism, Propoganda. pluralism, is the acceptance of difference of opinion. Just like in the US, communists are able to speak ( well, sort of. ), the same way it should've been done in the SU. There would be no fear of counter-revolution, if a strong democratic socialist ( don't confuse it with the SDs ) constitution would've been established, and would've been respected, with separation of powers, and a true parliament, like in any democratic society.
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What millions? BTW, do you know anything about the Riutin Affair? The Zionoviev-Kamenev-Smirnov bloc? Tukhachevsky Affair? The premise for having a large "purge"(meaning primarily forced expulsions, before 1937) was fair. However, it's what Yezhov did that set it off and made it bloody. Consequently, that's exactly why we didn't see him in his post for too long(and why a ban on capital punishment was later set). I can post the CC complaints and resolutions(against Yezhov) if you'd like. |
Millions of people were not given a fair trial, and were sent to prison, because of being "enemies of the state", or other rediculous charges. True, that many people actually did commit crimes, It was a large country after all, but many of them didn't, or the thing that was defined as crime was stupid. We both lived there propoganda, ( though, admittedly, not during the Stalin era. ) What do your parents, or you grandparents that lived during Stalin think of him?
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Reminds me the time I spent in Russia 
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but I always type "nazi'', not "Nazi" for purpose.
"Net huine" originaly was "net voyne".
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