07-05-2003 17:47									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Propaganda Serb, don't you mean Cold Warriors? Revisionists seek to do the opposite.

I don't think so:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Revisionist
about Revisionist:
"Advocacy of the revision of an accepted, usually long-standing view, theory, or doctrine, especially a revision of historical events and movements. "

Some fricking revisionists now doing their best to show that Stalin was worse than Hitler and that Soviets were no less evil than nazi. They are re-writing history. that's what I meant.

	07-05-2003 17:58									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What do your parents, or you grandparents that lived during Stalin think of him?

My grandmother and her sister lived during Stalin and lost their parents during Stalin's purges in Red army. Both of them think that 90% of everything that comes from modern media about Stalin is complete bullsh!t and total lie.

	07-05-2003 18:19									#63
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quote: I never knew they had 26 year terms.

There were no set terms. Had Lenin lived to 1953, Stalin would have been relegated to being a Politburo until Lenin's death. Nevertheless, since Lenin died early, and there were two oppositionist groups, they held debates and elections. Stalin's line curried more favor with the Party than Trotsky's did.

quote: You don't know the meaning of pluralism, Propoganda. pluralism, is the acceptance of difference of opinion. Just like in the US, communists are able to speak ( well, sort of. ), the same way it should've been done in the SU. There would be no fear of counter-revolution, if a strong democratic socialist ( don't confuse it with the SDs ) constitution would've been established, and would've been respected, with separation of powers, and a true parliament, like in any democratic society.

Yeah sure, a parliament with bourgeousie representatives, "just like in any democratic country," right? What exactly do you think the Politburo, the CC, the Council of People's Commissars, Supreme Court were? And how the hell can you mean there can't be fear of counter-revolution? What exactly happened in 1957, tell me? Khruschev bumped everyone off(using Zhukov, then he bumped him off too), imposing his own dictatorship, by stuffing the ministries and Party functions with "rehabilitated" gulag prisoners, and of course, all this from a former Left Opposition supporter. How unsurprising.

quote: Millions of people were not given a fair trial, and were sent to prison, because of being "enemies of the state", or other rediculous charges. True, that many people actually did commit crimes, It was a large country after all, but many of them didn't, or the thing that was defined as crime was stupid. We both lived there propoganda, ( though, admittedly, not during the Stalin era. ) What do your parents, or you grandparents that lived during Stalin think of him?

Well, not really, research done shows that political prisoners were mostly a minority prison populace, except in some critical years. And anyway, political prisoners just didn't get sent because they were "enemies of the people" and that was it, but many were sent for serious crimes, like "wrecking" or sabotage, corruption charges, spying, etc...Sure, some were innocent, but no one is perfect.

As for my grandparents, they say Khruschev was a moron; "the man who liked corn," they say there was a famine in Bryansk and there wasn't much to eat, I believe, during the Virgin Lands campaign, and that they say in Stalin's time, food seemed in abudance(at least over there), though they were pretty young then. They say Breznhev had many runaway wives in Ukraine and that the Party was corrupt in his time, and they told me that Yeltsin was a son of a *****.

All I know about my great grandfather is that he died on the Front.

	07-05-2003 18:19									#64
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Ah, so they're on of the Russian "Communist" National-Patriotic front voters? That's just dandy. It's sad that they have been so thoroughly brainwashed.

"Pavlik Morozov" rings a bell?

	07-05-2003 18:24									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Ah, so they're on of the Russian "Communist" National-Patriotic front voters? That's just dandy. It's sad that they have been so thoroughly brainwashed. "Pavlik Morozov" rings a bell?

You mean Limonov's National Bolsheviks?

	07-05-2003 18:31									#66
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I don't know much about the National Bolshevik parliamentary status, except that I consider them to be the political equivalent of the black plague.

THe "National Patriotic Front" is IIRC, an parliamentary umbrella organization that was created by CPRF, and has joined forces with some forces of the Nat. Bol. nature. I can't name them, though.