07-05-2003 15:34									#1
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Welcome in the first monastery, a place for devotion and discussion of catholic concepts and ideas.

In this place any priest, Benedictinian monks* or Benedictian frair** is alowed to propose any idea concerning the Church as institution, the concept of catholicism, the christian religion and any other things related to the christian, catholic religion.

People will not be punished for things they state here as long as they only propose their ideas and do not preach them.

Preaching ideas is only allowed if these ideas are approved by the pope as true.

The inquisition is allowed to deal with people who do not obey to this.

I am looking for a priest who is not a cardinal or wishes to resign from cardinalhood, to become abbot. The task of the abbot is to lead the discussion here and prevent spam. It is the abbot who brings people that preach unapproved ideas before the inquisition.

If you do not agree with the abbot or the ideas generally proposed in here, feel free to found your own abbey as long as you ask approval from the pope.

* Benedictinian monks are ordained members of the Benedictinian order, they are in fact priests. A monk has like all priests the right to preach, while friars don't have that right. Monks can, like friars only be member of one order at the moment.

** Frairs are members of the monastery who are not ordained. [ooc]If your chartacter is not part of the clergy (crusaders are also not part of the clergy unless they have occasionally been ordained, like Nuclear Winter), create a new character who is frair of the Benedictinian order. Your character doesn't need to be ordained by a cardinal. This is needed because I have stated that only frairs, monks and priests have access.
In case people will found new orders, you have to create more characters. A frair or monk can not be mamber of more than one order.

The idea of multiple monasteries with different orders is like political parties that we will have lateron in this game. You are but member of one.[/ooc]

Pope Aidun I

Last edited by Aidun on 08-05-2003 at 17:28

	08-05-2003 05:22									#2
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Your Holiness is most mete and wise in your decisions as always. Hopefully, this Monastery of St. Benedict will become a beacon for the world and a center of our missionary endeavors all over the globe of the earth.

As your first monk here, allow me to put forward my nephew Colomba Calamari, a wise young pupil of the Rev. Dr. Pinch's in the Curia. Friar Colomba is quiet talented with the brush, and so he might be given the job of illuminating our gospels, perhaps?

Cardinal Calamari
The Archbishop of Spain

	08-05-2003 06:11									#3
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Riqui de la Civ, priest of the small town of San Agustin, has come to San Bendicho (OOC: What is the spanish version of benedict?) to request that the pope or some other high church official makes him a friar.

	08-05-2003 18:48									#4
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Riqui de la Civ, if you are already ordained as priest and you want to become member of the Benedictinian order, you will become monk in the order of the Benedictines. The abbot will approve you. If you yourself want to be abbot, let me know and I shall appoint you if there are no other people willing.

Pope Aidun I

	09-05-2003 04:59									#5
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Your Holiness, Your Holiness, a moment, I beg you...

(Brother Colomba runs over, clutching a rosary in one hand, and a big fat letter in the other with a large seal from the Archbishop of all Spain)

My Uncle, the Archbishop of Spain, asks me to ask you here about Article II of the Laws of the Priest in the Canon Law. He made a suggestion to you at the Curia on an addition he wishes to be made, but nothing was acted upon it.

He wishes me to convey to you that it has always been the teaching of the Church [ooc]at least, not the Catholic Church[/ooc] that priests are married to the Church, and cannot be married to another. Like so as Christ is married to the Church, so they too are married to the Church. This should be noted, rather than "for love alone should be given to Christ". Of course a priest will have a love for his family and his good friends. What you mean is carnal love, and to substitute that would be rather unfortunate. Thus, the Archbishop's suggestion is perhaps most prudent and, may I say, accurate.

Secondly, I wish to address Cardinal Winterus's suggestion in the same matter about Mary Magdalene. What he says in an utter falsehood, and cannot be backed up by any word in scripture. Maybe it can be by a heretical song-writer by the name of Andraes Lloydaeus Webberinus, or a strange theatrical director named Martinin Scorcesus, but certainly not by scripture. May I also suggest that the Inquisition go look for those two heretics to stop their false notions?

Brother Colomba Calamari of the Sacred Heart

	10-05-2003 01:54									#6
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Perhaps I am out of place, being but a monk and questioning the Pope and King themselves, but I must ask: How do we justify before God going to war against the so-called Gathering Storm? Yes, they are infidels who worship demons of hell that provide them with control of lightning and storms in return. But are we not primarily helping the Voxians, who do not just worship demons of hell but worship Satan himself, who they call "The One" or "The Voice"? What sense is there in battling infidels if other infidels, perhaps even worse infidels, will end up being the true victors? Rather, I believe we should either conquer the infidels ourselves or peacefully convert them to the salvation of God.

Riqui de la Civ, Priest of San Agustin and Monk of San Benito.

	10-05-2003 03:41									#7
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We are not helping the Voxians in a war, that is not our purpose. We are about to bring victory to christianity and we can only manage that by teaching the people of Gathering Storm what christianity is.
That is not a job of our ambassadors, but of our holy knights, crusaders who have learned the word of the Lord by heart.
Later on we shall teach the Voxians what our faith means, but we can only handle one thing at a moment.

Pope Aidun I

	10-05-2003 03:54									#8
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Your Holiness, Your Holiness, a moment, I beg you... (Brother Colomba runs over, clutching a rosary in one hand, and a big fat letter in the other with a large seal from the Archbishop of all Spain) My Uncle, the Archbishop of Spain, asks me to ask you here about Article II of the Laws of the Priest in the Canon Law. He made a suggestion to you at the Curia on an addition he wishes to be made, but nothing was acted upon it.

I didn't answer it yet because I wanted move the discussion to here instead of there. I shall take a closer look at it.

quote: Secondly, I wish to address Cardinal Winterus's suggestion in the same matter about Mary Magdalene. What he says in an utter falsehood, and cannot be backed up by any word in scripture. Maybe it can be by a heretical song-writer by the name of Andraes Lloydaeus Webberinus, or a strange theatrical director named Martinin Scorcesus, but certainly not by scripture. May I also suggest that the Inquisition go look for those two heretics to stop their false notions?

Perhaps the Archbishop and Lord Winterius can take a closer look at it and we can all discuss it in here. The matter about Mary Magdalene is a difficicult one and I don't want to make a decision with one advise only. What do the monks and frairs, who study the Bible daily, think about it?

quote: Sacred Heart

Am I right if this is a new monasterial order?


Pope Aidun I

	10-05-2003 07:04									#9
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Your Holiness, I thank you,

Being a reader of the Bible daily, and having written the words down many times over in my copies for the monastery, I can say that without a doubt there is no such reference anywhere in Scripture. If the Essenes have said such, then that is just them. They are heretics anyway, and the Inquistion is asking them to speak up for what their basis is. They have none.

Your Holiness, I have a particular devotion to the Sacred Heart of Christ, as my uncle, the Archbishop has for Saint Hernan de Calamari. It is not a new order.

Brother Riqui,

As His Holiness says, we are not assisting the heretics and devil-worshipers (such as are to be found not only in Persia but above us in Arabia), but we are leading a fallen country back to the true faith. Our Coptic brothers are being persecuted by the pagans, and we must force a turn in policy so that the leaders may recognize our Christian brothers.

Brother Colomba Calamari of the Sacred Heart

	11-05-2003 22:12									#10
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(the cry to step aside for the Archbishop of all Spain is sounded...)

Your Holiness,

(cough, cough)

Might I be so bold as to suggest that you refer to Senor Nuclearius Winterus's very interesting suggestion in the Spanish Army barracks about the idea of an army built for the Most Holy Church?

The Sword of God, he suggests, be the force directly under the control of Your Holiness, the Pope of the See of Peter, for the protection of the Holy Mother Church against heresy and invasion. If cause for crusade is found, then such an army (or at least the offensive troops of that army) will be sent abroad along with the Spanish forces to attack the heretical country that denies the truth of Christ.

The Sword of God will consist mainly of pikemen and defensive forces, including the elite troops, the Swiss Guards. Of course, for the crusades, a group of knights and conquistadors will be raised for attack along with the Spanish troops under the blessing of Your Holiness.

It seems to me that it is a good suggestion, and once Spain has built its troops up a bit more, work on recruitment might begin?

I suggest also that, if this undertaking is to be giving Your Blessing, you appoint a head of this army.

Cardinal Calamari
The Archbishop of Spain

	12-05-2003 18:25									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Pope Aidun I I support these proposals. It makes the roleplay more realistic. It is true that in fact nothing will change, if I would be given control over some part of the spanish military force, I will hand over the control to senor Astronius or one of his main advirsors. I myself know too little of battlestrategies to be able to properly control the Papal forces. My military adviser will control it in my name.

Pope Aidun I

	14-05-2003 21:04									#12
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quote: Article I. The Bible and especially the word of the Lord is the only truth. Article II. Absolute rule rests in the hands of the pope.

I do not mean to question the current pope, who is quite righteous and good, but could it not come to be someday that, given the imperfection of man, an unrighteous and unholy pope is chosen? In that case, should the pope still be supreme? Or would it be the duty of the righteous to defy the evil pope and restore goodness to Spain?

Riqui de la Civ, Priest of San Agustin and Monk of San Benito

	15-05-2003 00:18									#13
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The only time that this may occur, I think, is if this Pope, by words or actions, private or public, openly contradicts the Word of God, that is to say the Scripture. If in such a case that occurs, then, and only then, may that Pope be removed by the Curia.

Cardinal Calamari

	15-05-2003 01:51									#14
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For an evil and Pagan Pope to hide amongst the church like a wolf hidden amongst the shepherds is a thing that I cannot think to be possible; for he would be right under the sharp sword of the Watcher; may I remind you all that the Pope starts out as an ordinary priest, thus being subject to the tests and examinations of the order of the Watcher (or what is actually refered to as ´´The Inquisition´´ though I think this is not yet official) and so it would require such a conjumination of dark powers and spells for this to be able to happen that it would have to be the devil impersonated. And, were him the devil impersonated, our holy order of knights would surely see a sign of this and vanquish him away... oh what? Doesn´t the church have an oficial army group of holy knights? Not even those Swiss guards? Now I am really scared!
Cardinal Winterius

	15-05-2003 07:05									#15
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Cardinal Winterus,

This I tell you is true. The Inquisition has not yet been established, I fear it may be some time yet before it is so. Time enough for pollution and anarchy. We must build a defensive force for the Church so that such evils cannot be made manifest. The Swiss Guards at least must be raised. A troubadour would help. The duty to form the defense of the Holy Church is in our hands, we must look to our work.

Cardinal Calamari

	15-05-2003 23:16									#16
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[ooc]Hey! It's May 15th! St. Isidore of Seville!

"St. Isidore the Farmer was born at Madrid, Spain in the latter half of the twelfth century and was named after St. Isidore of Seville. His parents were simple farm laborers and could not afford to formally educate him, but infused in him the utmost horror and dread of sin.

From his early years, Isidore worked as a farm hand. Through the
education given to him by his parents and his love of the Lord he
came to consider his labors as a duty to God. Isidore was well known for his diligence and care in his work and is said to have been assisted by angles in his prayer-filled labors.

As a young man, Isidore married Maria de la Cabeza (Torribia), who is also honored as a saint, and together the couple worked and helped each other grow closer to the Lord. Isidore died around the year 1130 and was canonized in 1622 after the king was cured of a fever through his intercession.

Isidore is the patron of farmers and rural communities. He is also
patron Madrid, Spain."[/ooc]

	16-05-2003 18:05									#17
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I am very pleased that the Holy Church is creating a Holy Order of Knights to spread God's enlightenment; indeed, my brother Roberto has already joined it. But should we not also be trying to send peaceful missionaries to the heathen lands? I think we should create an international office of the church (a thread in the general PTWDG forum) where we attempt to diplomatically and/or socially convert the heathens.

Riqui de la Civ

	16-05-2003 19:31									#18
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Padre Riqui de la Civ,

I have ordered the advisors to make a plan for the Opening of the Doors of the Vatican for the world.

I have requested Archbishop Calamari to make suggestions here so that the monks and frairs of the Abbey of St. Benedictus can discuss it in here.

Pope Aidun I

	16-05-2003 19:59									#19
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Well, there could be several ways of going about this. My suggestions are simply the simplest ones.

Firstly, we ask the King to sell Monotheism to those civilizations that do not have it. With the Gospel in their hands, some are bound to join this religion. It is my hope that the Voxians learn of it soon and put aside their devilry.

Secondly, we appoint the diplomats Missionary Bishops. As missionary bishops, they will have a more pressing role in foreign matters then before, setting up dioceses in foreign lands and appointing bishops from the foreigners. These missionary bishops must always preach the Gospel as well as do the work of diplomacy.

Thirdly, we must make alliances based on religion. [ooc]I'm thinking Charlemange here.[/ooc] If our country defeats another in war, not an entire defeat but one that would be something of a blow to the enemy, a term in the peace treaty would be the conversion to Christianity of the leader of that country, and the conversion of his people to Christianity. Also, we wish to see our allies abroad become Christian, and so we should form treaties in future with the idea of converting them, as well as for our government's benefits.

I suspect I'll think of more later.

Cardinal Winterus is now the first missionary bishop, and he shall depart for Persia. He is to establish a mission church in the capital, and appoint any friends in that country missionaries after baptizing them. So it will be. These missionaries shall then be sent out among the foreign marketplaces [ooc]or forums...[/ooc] to preach the Gospel.

Cardinal Calamari

	16-05-2003 22:16									#20
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My brother has left for persia already. He insisted that we kept our missionary work quiet until(if) Persia was converted. I don´t know why, but I believe it has something to do with some strange concept of ´´Crusade´´he has been talking about...

	16-05-2003 23:56									#21
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Then I am going to write him a letter. If there are problems at least I have to know of them, to be able to give him all the support I can give. There is of course the danger to get killed by pagans and I don't want to let that happen to the wise Bishop Winterius.

quote: A letter from Pope Aidun I to Bishop Winterius in Persia. Dear monsignor Winterius, The news has come to me that you have set sail to Persia to convert the Persians to christianity. This goal is not without any danger, as you must have realized yourself, before you departed. I want to keep contact on a regular basis so that I know of what is happening in the north of the known world. At the same time of your departure, the discussion has risen to open the doors of the Vatican to the world, something I encourage and would like to establish. Archbishop Calamari has advised me and I will include some phrases of the speech he held in de Abbey of St. Benedictus in this letter: "Firstly, we ask the King to sell Monotheism to those civilizations that do not have it" "Secondly, we appoint the diplomats Missionary Bishops. As missionary bishops, they will have a more pressing role in foreign matters then before, setting up dioceses in foreign lands and appointing bishops from the foreigners" "Thirdly, we must make alliances based on religion." Your brother has come to me, however, and told me that you had told him that you insist that our missionary work is kept quiet until Persia is converted or the mission fails. I would like to know from you why you insist on this. I don't want to bring you in trouble by setting up the institutions of the Church. Please send me a letter as soon as this letter arrives. I shall think of you in my prayers. I wish you the strength and wisdom to fulfil this task. May the grace of the almighty God fall upon you. With kindest regards, Pope Aidun I

Pope Aidun I

	17-05-2003 00:31									#22
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Anyone in here like the movie Dogma? ...No?

Its a joke. Wait a second! TAKE IT OUT!!!! IT BURNS!!! IT BURNS!!!

	17-05-2003 02:29									#23
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Fear not, my son, there is freedom of speech in here snd you won't get punished as long as you don't preach. At worst people can start to ignore you, but no harm will be done to you.

Pope Aidun I

	17-05-2003 03:27									#24
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Your Holiness,

Wise words. May God bless us in our endeavors. If he is martyred, the Spanish government must then take over for the assassination or rebuttal of a Spanish diplomat.

A suggestion: Proclaim the King 'Defender of the Faith'. He will look after the Church as favored King, the only really recognizable ruler.

I trust that all shall go well.

Nuclearis,

That is, regretably, the other factor here for conversion. Crusade. All wars against heathens should be designated as such, and a term of surrender must be conversion to the One True Faith. This may be the less pleasant method, of course, but provided Spain's armies are up to the task, it works. I sincerely hope we don't have to go to such lengths.

Cardinal Calamari

	21-05-2003 04:04									#25
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[half ooc]A new discussion in the Abbey: How would you like to see the Church develop? Should we try to 'conquer the world' or have a peaceful church or parhaps have a bloody church with many witch-executions, tortures, anything you can imagine. Please spam it all down here.[/half ooc]

Pope Aidun I

	21-05-2003 17:52									#26
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[ooc]i would like to have a bloody church [/ooc]

I think the church should be peaceful and convert the heathens by showing them the truth, and only attacking when they explicitly reject it.

Riqui de la Civ, Priest of San Agustin and Monk of San Bendito.

PS: I am having health problems and will have to leave the Abbey for some time. Please pray for my health! My adopted son Daniel will run the church of San Agustin while I am unable to.

EDIT: I'm a priest, so my son must be adopted

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	21-05-2003 21:23									#27
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So I will, Brother de la Civ.

Brother Colomba History Guy Calamari of the Sacred Heart
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Your Holiness,

We must be militant. I do not mean that we should conquer the word through deeds, but through words. We should see that Monotheism is sold to all civilizations, and that our Ambassadors may double as Bishops to proclaim the Gospel abroad. They must establish dioceses and missions, and the word must be proclaimed to all mankind. We must use politics, I fear, if we wish to be successful in saving all mankind from the Devil.

I do think that a Crusade is necessary. The Egyptians might need to be attacked in order to save the Coptic Church there. However, our government might have much trouble in doing so, and perhaps it would be an unfortunate affair if we did. Instead, I suggest gearing our crusading efforts towards Arabia, the real threat. There is a religion there that I cannot bear to speak of, and it is a foul one. Nothing glorifies the Devil so much as the evil way it is practised. One day Arabia will be strong enough to conquer us, and that day fast approaches. Unless we can buy Feudalism soon, we may be unable to stop their attacks. But we must hold an advantage through our troops, and must seize the day whenever we have a chance. One day, that apocalyptic battle will come, and when it does, Spain and the Church must be ready for it.

I suggest militant Christianity, not through swords and spears, but through concerted maneuvers of our diplomats to establish missions abroad. It is only when the Church is directly threatened that I suggest a crusade be called.

Cardinal Calamari

P.S., please do write up the laws of Inquistion at the earliest opportunity.

	22-05-2003 17:47									#28
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I am very sad to tell the Abbey that my dear father has passed away. Let us pray that he has gone to heaven, for he has always served God and Spain well. I am the new Priest of San Agustin, and I would like to also join this Abbey as a Monk

Daniel de la Civ, adopted son of Riqui de la Civ and Priest of San Agustin

	22-05-2003 21:21									#29
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Welcome, Brother Daniel...

Wait...your father? Brother Riqui? *gulp* Must have been before regulations were worked out...

	23-05-2003 00:13									#30
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quote: Wait...your father? Brother Riqui? *gulp* Must have been before regulations were worked out...

See my edit to my post above the one I just posted.