08-05-2003 18:10									#31
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Stray cats can often be a menace to local wildlife.

	08-05-2003 18:12									#32
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I would like human population control. I think you should have a license to have a kid.

Anyways, its not a bullsh1t argument at all. Ever been to a humane society in the US? Millions of animals are put to sleep each year because they don't have homes. Maybe it's not as bad in Israel, but if your dog was in the US, he'd probably father a litter of bastard puppies that would end up dying alone and sad in some shelter. Neutering = humane

	08-05-2003 18:14									#33
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi Stray cats can often be a menace to local wildlife.

True, but it not really the cat's fault for trying to survive, is it.

	08-05-2003 18:15									#34
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quote: Originally posted by alva True, but it not really the cat's fault for trying to survive, is it.

It's the dumbass peoples' fault for not neutering.

	08-05-2003 18:15									#35
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I don't think there are dog pounds in Israel. Never seen any. There are animal shelters, where they're held in enclosed spaces, but on the open air.

quote: I would like human population control. I think you should have a license to have a kid.

I don't think I would make the grade.

	08-05-2003 18:21									#36
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IIRC, some European countries are also the only ones in the world to ban cat declawing, so there is certainly a dichotomy here...

	08-05-2003 18:55									#37
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If a cat goes or gets outside, with no claws, it's in deep stuff.

Boris. Do me a favor.
When you go to Europe, take care of my light-work, ok.
Skin some Euros.

	08-05-2003 18:59									#38
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand If a cat goes or gets outside, with no claws, it's in deep stuff.

Like out in the backyard?

Still got nasty teeth.

	08-05-2003 19:04									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Like out in the backyard? Still got nasty teeth.

Not remotely as effective as having teeth and claws. The vets who do declawing usually will only do so if the owners avver the cat will be kept indoors at all times.

Declawing is disgusting, IMO. If you want a cat, be willing to make the effort to train it not to claw things. Don't have it's claws amputated, it's an atrocity.

	08-05-2003 19:07									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Like out in the backyard? Still got nasty teeth.

My cats keep the rabbits from destroying the garden and eating the vegetables we grow. They also keep the area free from mice.

	08-05-2003 19:08									#41
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They can't climb a tree with their teeth.

	08-05-2003 19:08									#42
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Hm, large felines kill by biting, not clawing. If you watch a doco about a lion killing a buffalo, it's the bite to the neck that kills. The claws might help the lion to get a grip on the beast, but that's about the extent of it.

	08-05-2003 19:09									#43
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UR, you are flat out wrong. How do you think the cats pull their prey in for the kill? They claw, grab, and PULL!

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Hm, large felines kill by biting, not clawing. If you watch a doco about a lion killing a buffalo, it's the bite to the neck that kills. The claws might help the lion to get a grip on the beast, but that's about the extent of it.

You think a housecat is going to defend itself from a dog 3 times bigger than it (at least) like that?

	08-05-2003 19:10									#45
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My cat couldn't destroy our carpet without his claws

	08-05-2003 19:10									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sava My cats keep the rabbits from destroying the garden and eating the vegetables we grow. They also keep the area free from mice.

Cats are nasty evil killers. They toy with their preys before killing, and often they just kill for the thrill of it.

	08-05-2003 19:10									#47
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Yeah, so?

EDIT: They don't kill for the "thrill", they kill because that's what they are... PREDATORS!

	08-05-2003 19:11									#48
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Should at LEAST leave back claws.

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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Hm, large felines kill by biting, not clawing. If you watch a doco about a lion killing a buffalo, it's the bite to the neck that kills. The claws might help the lion to get a grip on the beast, but that's about the extent of it.

And the keyword is LARGE feline...not a cat. Cats dont kill buffalos...well, it can try but it'll take about 4 years....

Spec.

	08-05-2003 19:16									#50
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Cats kill rabbits in the same way leopards kill antelope though, thats kind of similar

	08-05-2003 19:16									#51
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I can see it now.
A pack of house cats, bringing down a buffalo.

	08-05-2003 19:19									#52
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But we're not talking about a cat killing prey, we're talking about it defending itself from big dogs and such. Without claws, it's in big trouble. A quick swipe from sharp claws across a dog's nose is usually enough to make it think twice about messing with the cat. In order to go after a dog with teeth, the cat would have to really put itself in a dangerous position. And again, how much is a cat going to do to a big dog with just its teeth? Not much.

	08-05-2003 19:21									#53
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anyone tries to declaw my cat, gets their toe nails removed

	08-05-2003 19:25									#54
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Ouch

	08-05-2003 19:31									#55
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger anyone tries to declaw my cat, gets their toe nails removed

It's more akin to having the tips of one's fingers up the first knuckle lopped off.

	08-05-2003 19:38									#56
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger If I agree to eat a mink can my wife have a coat then

Actually, you'd have to eat about 50 of them, but have at it - they are supposed to taste absolutely nasty.

	08-05-2003 19:41									#57
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I don't really see the problem in skinning dead cats or dogs. Nor do I see a problem with eating these animals.
However, I do see a problem with the horrendous conditions the farming of these animals is done. A traveler had once explained me how dog farmers operated in China. It involved wanton cruelty which had nothing to do with the end product

	08-05-2003 19:42									#58
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Typical cat's reaction to news of declawing consideration.

	08-05-2003 19:44									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Actually, you'd have to eat about 50 of them, but have at it - they are supposed to taste absolutely nasty.

I could have barbecue

	08-05-2003 19:55									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov But we're not talking about a cat killing prey, we're talking about it defending itself from big dogs and such. Without claws, it's in big trouble. A quick swipe from sharp claws across a dog's nose is usually enough to make it think twice about messing with the cat. In order to go after a dog with teeth, the cat would have to really put itself in a dangerous position. And again, how much is a cat going to do to a big dog with just its teeth? Not much.

"the look" has cowed 70 lb dogs into tucking their tails so far between their legs and lowering their heads so much they could wipe their nose with their tails.