09-05-2003 06:22									#91
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are cat farms worse than rabbit farms?

	09-05-2003 06:31									#92
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quote: So cat's can't feel pain?

So, you've decided to be a vegetarian, I see? After all, steer can't feel pain?

Besides, after a few weeks, a cat doesn't seem to feel the pain (saying they still do but are too proud to show it is ridiculous). They go on just as they were before the declawing. It is surely no worse than when men are circumcised.

quote: So if you weren't able to declaw your cat, you'd have it put down?

If I couldn't get it declawed, I'd never get a cat. If I didn't get the cat, and no one else got it, it'd be put down.

This isn't hard to follow.

quote: But even if you can't, you'd rather disfigure the cat than, oh, put slip covers on furniture, or close off rooms with valuable items?

Yes. Sorry if you don't like it.

quote: And keep in mind it's banned in 25 countries, and an increasing number of localities in the U.S.

WOW... 25 counties out of thousands. It's sure sweeping the country!

	09-05-2003 06:44									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: So cat's can't feel pain? So, you've decided to be a vegetarian, I see? After all, steer can't feel pain?

Duh, I am a vegetarian.

quote: Besides, after a few weeks, a cat doesn't seem to feel the pain (saying they still do but are too proud to show it is ridiculous). They go on just as they were before the declawing. It is surely no worse than when men are circumcised.

So if the pain wears off after a few weeks, it's okay to mutilate a pet? Nice. And many cats don't go on as before declawing, as the links showed. Many suffer long-term negative behaviorial changes after being declawed.

You can look back for the infamous circumcision thread for my opinion on that practice as well. Another bad argument.

quote: If I couldn't get it declawed, I'd never get a cat. If I didn't get the cat, and no one else got it, it'd be put down. This isn't hard to follow.

Frankly, if you're willing to force the mutilation of your cat for cosmetic reasons, I'd say you are unfit to be a cat owner in the first place. If you like torturing animals, why not become a furrier?

quote: Yes. Sorry if you don't like it.

I rest my case. Damned sick.

quote: quote: And keep in mind it's banned in 25 countries, and an increasing number of localities in the U.S. WOW... 25 counties out of thousands. It's sure sweeping the country!

Better now that I point that out to you?

	09-05-2003 06:48									#94
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Ah, vege pinko, makes sense now .

Am I correct in assuming you own nothing made of leather at all?

quote: Frankly, if you're willing to force the mutilation of your cat for cosmetic reasons, I'd say you are unfit to be a cat owner in the first place.

Thankfully you don't have a say in the matter . My g/f's cat is well loved. And yes, he has no front claws.

quote: If you like torturing animals, why not become a furrier?

I have no problems with people wearing fur, leather, etc.

	09-05-2003 06:56									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Ah, vege pinko, makes sense now . Am I correct in assuming you own nothing made of leather at all?

No, I do, but leather/meat isn't really comparable, as it doesn't involve the ongoing torture/discomfort of an animal, and it is using parts of an animal that are being killed anyway. I don't object to meat-eating (I am vegetarian for health reasons), because for some people it is a vital part of their diet, and it is very possible to keep and kill animals humanely (which is why I urge people to eat free-range, organic).

Using animals for food/clothing needs isn't the same as amputating parts of a supposedly beloved pet in the name of preserving some cloth.

quote: Thankfully you don't have a say in the matter . My g/f's cat is well loved. And yes, he has no front claws.

Do you think you'd love the cat less if you hadn't lopped off it's toes and instead and explored alternate methods of discouraging scratching? Is your love only conditioned on the pet's lack of ability to damage furniture? How sad.

quote: I have no problems with people wearing fur, leather, etc.

Nor do I, but I do have problems with the inhumane treatment animals raised for fur purporses undergo. I think it's sick to keep minks, rabbits and the like in such conditions (the ones than ensure the desired coat).

	09-05-2003 07:00									#96
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quote: Do you think you'd love the cat less if you hadn't lopped off it's toes and instead and explored alternate methods of discouraging scratching? Is your love only conditioned on the pet's lack of ability to damage furniture?

It'd be much harder to love an animal that destroyed my furniture and forced me to spend thousands to replace it. I wouldn't be too happy with that cat, I can tell you that.

	09-05-2003 07:08									#97
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What's the difference between farming a cat for pelt and farming a fox for pelt? And the rest can be turned into dog food or glue.

	09-05-2003 07:11									#98
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Unless you're fond of sisal furniture, it's pretty easy to prevent cats from scratching valuable things, by giving them less valuable things to scratch.

A lot of cats don't scratch anything at all, and those who do can be trained easily to scratch stuff you both agree on, and to leave yours alone.

Cats are acutely aware of their lack of defenses when declawed, and their reactions to perceived threats can be severe. One place I live had a declawed Siamese next door, and it was on it's back patio, somehow got up to the top, then jumped down into my patio by mistake.

It paced around for a while, unable to get out, and then when I saw it (it didn't know me, I'd just moved in), I went out there, and the poor cat just freaked - trapped, a stranger closing in on it, and no way out. This cat was literally scared crazy, because it made a simple mistake of cat exploration and got trapped.

	09-05-2003 07:18									#99
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Imran - problem solved: http://www.softpaws.com/

	09-05-2003 07:20									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It'd be much harder to love an animal that destroyed my furniture and forced me to spend thousands to replace it. I wouldn't be too happy with that cat, I can tell you that.

You like cats, but don't love them, something that to me is really needed to share an appartment/house for more then a dozen years.

	09-05-2003 11:43									#101
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Get a catnip plant and rub catnip over a sacrificial scratching post. That solves it for all cats.

	09-05-2003 12:18									#102
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my cats name is mittens

	09-05-2003 13:35									#103
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hi ,

the belgian rep at the eu is angry sava more info on this ?

something about a proff being shown on belgian tv from an american undercover tv team that went to shops in brussels and bought cat and dog fur , ....

say no to this

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