09-05-2003 00:33									#31
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark if by lefties the poster meant communists and other far leftists, he was in fact quite correct. If he meant liberals or social democrats he was of course wrong - but then it would be equally incorrect to indicate that all liberals in US or UK opposed Op. Iraqi Freedom.

Most people don't make such distinctions... they just throw out terms without bothering to inform themselves

	09-05-2003 00:35									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc We would have had many trolls aimed at the commies about the genocide in the Ukraine abround this time.

It would have been interesting to see the reactions as people discussed the Ukraine and then German atrocities started coming out. Wow, the far left and the far right trying to use the same arguments to defend themselves.

	09-05-2003 01:52									#33
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quote: With the large proportion of weenies here?

Yeah good point
I'd have made an awful soldier and almost definatley had my head blown off, but especially a different environment to grow up in, I'm pretty sure I'd have gone...

	09-05-2003 02:02									#34
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I think Stefu is correct: we would have ahuge number of pro-FDR and anti-FDr threads. Plenty of depression: 'hey buddy, can you spare a dime" sorts of discussions. Perhaps plenty of talk about Segregation, though no talk whatsoever about homosexuality.

I don't think the German situation would be talked about much until 1935, when the Germans pull out of Versailles. Before that Mussolini and the Japanese would probably get a high proportion of talk, as would the Soviets and the mess in china (specially in the US). Palestine would be an issue, though I think most [posters would be in favor.

As for what talk would be like about Hitler: Oerdin is wrong, i think. People like Che would be the ones callign for war aginst the facists in Spain. Remember that the whole "lessons form Munich" would not exist. I am sure plenty of people here who backed war in Iraq would, for example, back the Nationalists in Spain.

	09-05-2003 02:21									#35
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I think Stefu is correct: we would have ahuge number of pro-FDR and anti-FDr threads. Plenty of depression: 'hey buddy, can you spare a dime" sorts of discussions. Perhaps plenty of talk about Segregation, though no talk whatsoever about homosexuality. I don't think the German situation would be talked about much until 1935, when the Germans pull out of Versailles. Before that Mussolini and the Japanese would probably get a high proportion of talk, as would the Soviets and the mess in china (specially in the US). Palestine would be an issue, though I think most [posters would be in favor. As for what talk would be like about Hitler: Oerdin is wrong, i think. People like Che would be the ones callign for war aginst the facists in Spain. Remember that the whole "lessons form Munich" would not exist. I am sure plenty of people here who backed war in Iraq would, for example, back the Nationalists in Spain.

Spain was during that period when the left had emerged from its focus on Western power as mainly a threat to the USSR, and before the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

Che might well have been much tougher on the Fascists in Spain than most others here - I doubt however if he would have been calling for US-British rearmament - most of the UK labour party opposed rearmament. There really arent many heros in the West on either side of the ideological spectrum in that period - i daresay Winston Churchill was one of the few - why he was so isolated.

	09-05-2003 02:28									#36
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Well my grandfather was around in that time. He served in the Spanish nationalist army. Chegitz, like all others communists have no place in our country especially not during that time. We took care of all the communists that entered our country to form an illegal combatant group called "the republicans". By defeating the communists we expressed our independence from Stalin and the USSR.

	09-05-2003 02:28									#37
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In 1933, we wouldn't have any black posters here.



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	09-05-2003 02:43									#38
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quote: We took care of all the communists that entered our country

Gotta love executions of POWs

quote: to form an illegal combatant group called "the republicans".

Yes, strange how the democratically-elected government of Spain was formed by foreign leftists who entered the country months after it was elected.

quote: By defeating the communists we expressed our independence from Stalin and the USSR.

The only reason the Soviets had any influence in Spain at all was because because of the nationalist uprising, the communist party was miniscule and unimportant before that.

The only people on the nationalist side worthy of any real respect are the Moroccans, damn tough bastards...

	09-05-2003 02:48									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Gotta love executions of POWs Yes, strange how the democratically-elected government of Spain was formed by foreign leftists who entered the country months after it was elected. The only reason the Soviets had any influence in Spain at all was because because of the nationalist uprising, the communist party was miniscule and unimportant before that. The only people on the nationalist side worthy of any real respect are the Moroccans, damn tough bastards...

To be fair, while the communists may have been minor, the anarchists were not, and they were hardly democrats. And the last years of Republican Spain were hardly a model of pure democracy - this is not to justify the Francoist rebellion, but the Spanish situation was more of a tragedy than a simple case of black and white.

	09-05-2003 02:49									#40
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I am moroccan descended... Well a little nationalist uprising is healthy every now and then. The government before the civil war was incompetent. So we threw it out.

	09-05-2003 03:03									#41
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quote: In 1933, we wouldn't have any black posters here.

So just the situation same as now you mean?

	09-05-2003 03:29									#42
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Hmmm...this is the first time I have seen race mentioned on poly.(Nationality quite often enough, but not race)

Does race matter to anyone here?? My hope is that poly is way beyond that.

	09-05-2003 03:34									#43
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Once WWII broke out, Ming would allow one thread about it.

	09-05-2003 03:37									#44
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quote: Hmmm...this is the first time I have seen race mentioned on poly

You must have me on ignore than.

	09-05-2003 03:40									#45
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quote: I wonder how Apolyton would look like, if it would have existed in 1933 already

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	09-05-2003 03:41									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Japher You must have me on ignore than.

Perhaps I have just never been in a thread where this topic came up?

I will keep my eyes open.

Coming from the Southern US, there is plenty that I could discuss on the subject. I just usually try to avoid these discussions due to the fact that they tend to dissolve into old prejudices that have no place in my little corner of the world.

	09-05-2003 03:58									#47
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I think race would be an issue. Remember... n1gger was still an acceptable description. It's so sad. We (the US) are supposed to be a pillar of freedom and democracy. We're supposed to be an example for the rest of the world. But yet, in my parents lifetime, there were barbaric racist practices.

I think there would also be a great deal of discussion about social programs.

	09-05-2003 04:00									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Once WWII broke out, Ming would allow one thread about it.

	09-05-2003 04:08									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I think race would be an issue. Remember... n1gger was still an acceptable description. It's so sad. We (the US) are supposed to be a pillar of freedom and democracy. We're supposed to be an example for the rest of the world. But yet, in my parents lifetime, there were barbaric racist practices. I think there would also be a great deal of discussion about social programs.

You really think that much has changed, the language maybe, the mentality I doubt

	09-05-2003 04:31									#50
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Yes, I think America has changed. My generation, for the most part, doesn't tolerate racism. 70 years ago, racism was a general mainstream aspect of behavior.

	09-05-2003 04:44									#51
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Hmm, true, on the other hand, I'm sure that if you dig a little deeper, there still is alot of racism going around.
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so...

	09-05-2003 05:41									#52
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quote: Well a little nationalist uprising is healthy every now and then.

Exactly, too much democracy gives pepole crazy ideas.

quote: The government before the civil war was incompetent. So we threw it out.

The spanish didn't throw it out, the army did.

	09-05-2003 06:32									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac So just the situation same as now you mean?

That's what I was getting at, yes. Glad somebody got my lame attempt at humor.

Except that, back then they probably wouldn't have been allowed on the Internet.

Although, if they were, my belief is that racism would be a thing of the past, as people would be able to get to know someone else without knowledge of skin color.


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	09-05-2003 06:35									#54
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO1003 Hmmm...this is the first time I have seen race mentioned on poly.(Nationality quite often enough, but not race) Does race matter to anyone here?? My hope is that poly is way beyond that.

What I was getting at, is the fact that there are fewer black people on this forum than there are women.

We have more homosexuals than women or black people.

Albert Speer, as far as I know, isn't black, but comes from a predominantly black neighborhood, supposedly.

Race really wouldn't be a big deal on here, as far as I can see.

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	09-05-2003 07:26									#55
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quote: Race really wouldn't be a big deal on here, as far as I can see.

It isn't because you actually can't.
Forums take away alot of prejudices just by it's nature.
There are no visuals here..

	09-05-2003 07:51									#56
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quote: Originally posted by alva It isn't because you actually can't. Forums take away alot of prejudices just by it's nature. There are no visuals here..

That's whyI say that, if we had the internet in the 30's, racism would be a thing of the past.

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	09-05-2003 08:23									#57
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Please don't troll Fez people, he's behaving himself reasonably well.

And honestly, I think the nationalists were the lesser of two evils during that war. Franco did a good job of taking from Hitler and Mussolini without giving them control over Spain. The communists weren't so successful at maintaining independence from Stalin.

	09-05-2003 08:54									#58
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We'd have lots of people begging for jobs since the Great Depression was just starting, and it would be another 70 some years before Civ1 came out. A long time to make "the list" for Microprose.

	09-05-2003 13:28									#59
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IŽll go to Francos own country for some days now. hopefully I wonŽt miss my zeppeline. but IŽll post some babe pics for you before IŽll leave.




one of these babes is still alive BTW. seeya soon. (or should I rather say Heil Hitler?)

	09-05-2003 13:34									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Well my grandfather was around in that time. He served in the Spanish nationalist army. Chegitz, like all others communists have no place in our country especially not during that time. We took care of all the communists that entered our country to form an illegal combatant group called "the republicans". By defeating the communists we expressed our independence from Stalin and the USSR.

Yeah right

My wifes family had to leave Spain for a number of years
the ones who wern't in proson and they wern't commies