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Aug 2001
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I differentiate between doing something heroic and being a hero. I don't have any heroes, and I never will. There are certain traits in certain people I greatly admire, but everyone is human and has their failings. I can't think of a single person I would put on a pedestal and say "now there's a hero". Some of their actions, yes, the person as a whole, no.
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Cruddy
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These are people that have left a mark on me - there are countless others I am unfamiliar with. Some odd ones in this list but...
Ghandi - Great Soul says it all really.
Ike - yep, Eisenhower was pretty unique. Anyone that could organise Overlord, keep the reins on Patton and put a firecracker up Clark deserves respect.
Jon Pilger - a war journalist of the highest order, and a campaigner without peer against overwhelming odds.
Jochen Peiper - Colonel of Hitler's bodyguard but never a member of the Nazi party! Now that is unique. Scapegoated for the Malmedy massacre.
Nelson Mandela - Always insisted on his right to violence in defence of his civil rights. Great speaker, thinker, and suffered for his beliefs.
Alexandr Solzehnitsyn - hope I spelled it right, documented the atrocities of the Soviet era (and suffered quite a few of them personally).
Primo Levi - Like the above but was a survivor of Nazi conentration camps. Unforgetable reading.
Zhukov - Anyone that wasn't scared of Stalin deserves respect. Had his field HQ on the front line of Stalingrad, truly a brave leader.
Colonel H Jones - I judge him by the loss felt by his remaining subordinates, not for his heroic sacrifice.
Heroine's - a couple come to mind.
Jesus' Mom - Mary or Miriam, she suffered but kept on going.
The Late Queen Mum - WW1 nurse, must have seen some horrible sights, bombed in WW2 - always smiled.
Mother Therasa - now there was a hard working woman, not to mention an inspiration to others.
There are others, but that's enough for this thread.
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Dis
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:28
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Bill O' Reilly
no seriously. Sure he's an arrogant egotistical bastard. But I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
Ego is a good thing. Women dig men who are confident about their abilities. They don't want some dweeb who isn't confident about his intelligence.
And he is extremely smart and good with words. People who hate him fail to see this because they are blinded by their own extreme political views. In fact O'Reilly puts it best. When you are on the extreme right or extreme left you tend to follow what your leaders say whether they are right or wrong. And you tend to see those who disagree with those political views as stupid.
This is why it is important not to be an extremist. It can blind one to the facts. I won't argue that Bill has a right slant, but he is not extreme like Sean Hannity and friends.
As for other Heroes, well I have many from the creation of the country. Don't forget Patrick Henry and Samual Adams. And do not forget those who have faught for the freedom of my great nation from past to present.
Abraham Lincoln. The courage this man has for standing for his beliefs despite massive opposition is truelly amazing.
Last edited by Dis on 10-05-2003 at 13:16
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Cruddy
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quote:
Originally posted by Agathon
Why doesn't Steinbeck get his due as a writer of the left, like Orwell does. Even he doesn't come close to what Steinbeck achieved in "The Grapes of Wrath" and "In Dubious Battle". |
Steinbeck is a great author, and I'd recommend his books to anyone interested in a view of past suffering of the poor.
What makes Orwell so great was he predicted the future suffering of the poor - and the forms of control that would evolve and appear.
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08-05-2003 22:01
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