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OOC: yes, something i forgot to mention. No way your nuking any bases Darkcloud, especially Alpha Prime! and as if a probe team can travel all across Cyborg territory to Alpha Prime and no underground caverns! as if they are thousands of kilometres long! also, won't alow any one from my faction, even rogues, to provide any nukes. anyway, why would the pirates have nukes??? especially when there is no deliveries system, which you need Orbital Spaceflight for? Larionov forces sure are rogues and malcontents, but they are not going to use nukes. their ain't stupid as there is no way they can acquire it and keep it too, and sneak it in via Cyborg territory! Can send you the probe team, but they won't succeed, period. no nuking. and no army at Rocky Crag! and they are to far from University territory to have caverns to connect too. I don't like this overpowering nonsence either. anyway, was planning to develop my story where LMP sneaks in to Rocky Crag, or atleast acquire something on Project Alpha... and you can't kill him, its me 
The Morganites will be the only ones to have Planetary Economics. anyway, they set their goal upon it and made a beeline towards that tech, which mean they would lack in other areas. and they were allies with University too :P And Darkcloud, your not doing anything special with the Believers. rather let them be mostly unknown about until some player plays them and developes the faction themselves. may say the believers may be sneaking in probe teams and try to get their religion to University, but they won't send an army, since they don't have much of a navy and pirates would detect them. Believers avoids contact with the Cyborgs.
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Jul 2000
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Please consider this, perhaps not the Cyborg Capital but a Cyborg City!
This will make the game more compelling and besides as I already stated and as SMAC said, the Cyborgs can retaliate.
Rocky crag isnt connected to my territory.
I gave up the believers because I couldnt do the war with University story I wanted... I wasn't going to send an army, just their probes and the University getting fed up- taking a year to build a ship then trying to invade.
I am a GM, there perhaps should be a vote on the nuke, LMP is also a GM, I feel insulted that I cannot do any of my storylines because 1. (Believers) too risque (however I do notice how some hatemail could come out of this so I wont do it anyway.) 2. (Cyborgs) I wasn't necessarily going to "TAKE" the cities, it would be done by the calcs, I posted my "IDEAS"
Perhaps I should leave the game for a while and cool off?
Perhaps someone else should play the university for a week or two?
Why????
I wouldn't be ruining the Cyborgs.
The underground thing- They wouldnt be connected- I never said that, First they have to dig the underground areas.
Please consider the nuke story and "VOTE" on it as we have 1 GM for and 1 against.
Note: that the city does not have to be big, the idea of the capitol was for the 'shock value' to shatter the University into a smaller faction.
-DC
?I am more interested in the story, I am NOT trying to win, I apologize for seeming to be trying "TO WIN"?
Please accept this peace offering 
I merely tried to make the story more compelling- it seems I have been biased in how I have done so however.
[This message has been edited by DarkCloud (edited April 05, 2001).]
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DarkCloud
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Jul 2000
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OOC: I'll download the map for Rocky Crag, I thought it was right
near Data Angel Territory, and thus if you went north the Cyborgs would
appear, I guess I'm just confused about where the Cyborgs are?
LMP- the hidden bases only have about 6 offensive units to protect
themselves... It is not truly that many.
-Oh I wouldn't have the time to play all the factions I am 'filling in for'
all of the time anyway.
SMAC- Okay, I just read your post, um... I didn't read that when I posted other things;
um... See, if I nuke 'a' base, 'possibly' but 'probably not' Alpha Prime, I 'could' write
that the Cyborgs take two University Bases if you like, that is, if you dont want to write
about war... Then the Cyborgs make the University pay reparations- Zak denies involvement
and it is found that a rogue from some faction did this- other people possibly attack Zak
who starts building underground cities.
Also- just think of the diplomatic concessions you can wring from the University while you 'sue for peace', think of all the diplomatic movements...
Okay- I'm in a better mood now and willing to talk and 'perhaps' give up the nukes... but once again this can be a good diplomatic/military storyline...
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Sorry for not playing for a bit, been busy. That is what i'm doing with the Spartans, a coup d'etat, mainly getting rid of the Junta anyway, can't expect a facist barbaric government to last long. the General of the Blockade Guardians is the first to defy Sparta command, which the internal problems sparked. Also, The Nautilus Battle Dragons, Pirates elite rover units, 6 of them in total, are currently sieging Blast Rifle Crag. So you can choose wether the Blockade Guardians should go stop them or stay at Janissary Rock, and create a sub-state/faction. Do you have SMAX? would make things easier. i'm having a hard time finding time to make maps for the non-SMAX players :/ I doubt the war will simply end, but could die out after a stalemate. Cult of War units will get eliminated, but not without weakening the Defence Lines north of UN Haven City. And the for the Main Army, the General (forgot name) not sure as to what to do. He is the only Junta member currently not at Sparta Command. IF something happens to the Junta, he is in danger. So should he follow his plans to attack the PK defence lines or pull back to War Outpost to maybe establish his own little sub-state/faction, especially if there will be a change of government and he is in danger. the spartan government is falling apart. As for the Combine Army still in control of Data Acquisition behind PK lines, well, they are in trouble. They may just try to keep hold of the base as long as possible or just go in a rampage. The Spartan military at the almost decimated, with whatever left of Combine Army, the Main Army and 2/3 of Blockade Guardians (some units as been eliminated).
Anyway, gotta go. I do give my Green Light Spray for you to take charge of the Spartans.
Darkcloud, like i said, could easily capture the Cyborg Base east of Inspiration Point. As for the Offencive Military at the Hidden Bases, make it atleast a unit or 2. do remember, because they are hidden and to stay undetected, they didn't went around to acquire surrounding resources. The Hidden Bases are deep in Cyborg territory near the southern waters. No nukes. can make the story of them trying, but will not succeed.
well gotta go and happy easter.
-LordLMP
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Should be able to get the map at http://www.geocities.com/melottawa/CCMap.zip
It ain't a serious all out Civil War really and its more of a small revolution too The Spartans hurt the Peacekeepers enough that the PKs won't be going on the offensive for a bit. anyway, they still have to finish off the Cult of War units, the 4 Main army units sent to attack and whatever left of the Combine Army at Data Acquisition behind enemy lines. Oh, Santiego could always Try to recall the Main Army :P
-LordLMP
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Grrr, darn geocities!!! freaking site ain't always up :/ may just have t sent it to via email.
-LordLMP
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If you check the Admin thread, i have listed the coordinates of all bases and so on aswell.
but will find time to send you the map, which will be soon.
-LordLMP
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Feb 2001
time: 06:13
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Well, you know... I WAS kind of surprised when Yang suddenly changed his mind and decided to end the war... -even more so when he offered to help the Peacekeepers! By the way... will those rovers be "quality goods" or will there be problems with them?? The Peacekeepers will inspect them pretty darned carefully before actually using them, so there'd better not be any trouble! 
As for Data Acquisition... the Peacekeepers aren't really expecting to get the base back. As a matter of fact, they're pretty much willing to destroy it themselves to kill off the Spartans there if they don't surrender, the idea being that the base can be rebuilt, but the Spartans have to go... Anyway, if Weiss has second thoughts, that might be one thing that counts in his favor, if only he can make the Peacekeepers believe it...
-And of course, if the Peacekeepers capture Weiss, he'll be looking at a public trial followed by a lengthy visit to one of the darkest holes on the planet... but... he will get some respect for his decision to "take responsibility" and he'll get to speak for himself in the trial... could be a way to restore some lost honor...
Speaking of which... the Spartans are going to have a really hard time getting their "peace with honor"... If you see the world through the eyes of a Peacekeeper, the Spartans have no honor at this point. They threw all that away decades ago when they started pulling crappy sh!t like mass murder of civillians... Add things like the destruction of U.N. SeaQuest, the use of prisoners of war as human shields when commander Weiss attacked the defense line and the use of nerve gas in the attack on Data Acquisition, and what you get back is the public opinion that the Spartans are about as honorable as a bunch of slimy, yucky, disgusting parasites living off filth and sh!t and stinking to high Heaven...
If you're gonna make peace with the Peacekeepers, this is gonna have to change...
At the moment, it is possible that a Spartan peace offering might cause a few heated arguments between the most radical "pro-peace" and "pro-war" people, but it would not stop the war... most Peacekeepers simply wouldn't believe you.
Good luck to you...
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03-04-2001 07:02
The first post may be long cause I had to explain the what happened and why. I noticed that LMP had mentioned some trouble going on inside Sparta. Boy has there been trouble in the soliders paradise. If I'm not mistaken this will make history as the first coup on planet. Only in Sparta.
Eventually I want Helzburg and Kessel to ask for restraint from the PKs and their allies while the civil war is fought. The units going south will not engage until there is word from Helzburg. Are there any thoughts on this?
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