10-05-2003 11:14									#1
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I just saw this on Scarborough report on MSNBC: Jonathan Forman (I believe this is his name) an embedded reporter from the NY Post, has broken the news that the press has giving a totally distorted view of what is going on in Baghdad. There is no mass looting -- it always was directed. The reports on the looting of the Museum were lies from the very beginning. The people are genuinely happy to have the Americans present and Saddam gone.

Asked why he broke the story, he said that he had the discrepancy between what was being reported and what was happening was too great for him to keep silent about it.

In his story, he cites names and reports and shows how the reporters lied to slant the stories to be anti-American.

He says that virutally all the biased reporting is coming from reporters who were in Baghdad during the war, and not from embedded reporters. The AP and USA Today are the most biased, he reported.

I looked for a link, but could not find anything on the NY Post's site.

	10-05-2003 11:19									#2
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Hmm, it would be hard to see why they would intentionally lie since people could later check their reports. Still it is hard to reconcile the hysterical screaming of certain reporters and Eurotwat politicians ("The Americans allowed our heritage to be stolen") with the fact that only 34 items went missing.

Could it be that certain people were biased and played up the little looting that did occur in the museum? Nah, journalist would never resort to yellow press just to sell papers.

	10-05-2003 11:24									#3
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Yes Ned, every single American and British, heck, every single reporter other than this guy has been lying

quote: There is no mass looting -- it always was directed. The reports on the looting of the Museum were lies from the very beginning. The people are genuinely happy to have the Americans present and Saddam gone.

DanS already had a thread about claims that few items were taken, and the second sentence has nothign to do with the looting (cause they were looting iraqi places, not US equipment or material.

	10-05-2003 11:25									#4
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Yes, they all want to be Americans, just like everybody. Anyone who says different is a liar or a foreign agent.

The museum thing is fairly reasonable to explain. As US authorities admit, the museum offices were absolutely trashed, and crap was all over the place, everything of use not nailed down was gone. A lot of other pieces were missing from the museum displays, but stored elsewhere and not found and inventoried until after the initial reports. A third category of stuff was relatively minor items in the museum basement, not systematically inventoried by the museum staff, so there's nothing to check against, and nobody has any idea what, if any, of that is gone.

	10-05-2003 11:31									#5
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The staff said most of the important items were removed before the war for safe keeping.

	10-05-2003 11:33									#6
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Crap. The Fourth Estate's agenda for world domination has been exposed. I must inform my corporate overlords of this breach in security.

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	10-05-2003 11:36									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin The staff said most of the important items were removed before the war for safe keeping.

So then only the staff deserves praise for priceless artifacts not being lost, since certainly the US did sh1t, and if they hadn't sent these things away they would have been looted.

	10-05-2003 11:39									#8
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No,many second rate and third rate (but still important items) remained but were not looted. Mainly the looters wanted the office furniture and left the brazers and urns alone.

	10-05-2003 11:39									#9
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Of course, GePap and MtG, you have complete faith in liberal, anti-Bush media to give you the facts and nothing but the facts, with no spin.

	10-05-2003 11:49									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Of course, GePap and MtG, you have complete faith in liberal, anti-Bush media to give you the facts and nothing but the facts, with no spin.

You take that back, boy! You know us folks in the media take our marching orders from our Corporate Overlords, not some Simpering Liberals (TM) in ivory towers!

Yes sir, IBM, sir! Thy bidding will be done! **runs off to write public relations story**

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	10-05-2003 11:52									#11
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Hehe, liberal media.

No Ned, I expect nothign from the weak, craving mews outlets we have today, but I expect the least from crap rags like the NY Post. As was stated, DanS already had a post about this, based on a simple, well written artcle by a guy who did not drag his ass to be on TV (hey, looky mom) for that Hannity want to be Scarborough. and as of yet, the only looting sotry you guys seem to be able to "disprove" is the Museum sotry. What about the reported lootings of all major ministries? The Burning of the library and the destruction of works that surived the Mongol invasion? Wht about the reports that the offices and oil fields and equipmet in northern Iraq had been looted to sucha degree that the Kirkut oil fields might not run for a few more weeks? Do you have "proof" that all those were lies?

YOu find one guy wth an 'old' report (old since DanS already had a thread about it days ago) dealing only with one topic, yet you write:

quote: I just saw this on Scarborough report on MSNBC: Jonathan Forman (I believe this is his name) an embedded reporter from the NY Post, has broken the news that the press has giving a totally distorted view of what is going on in Baghdad. There is no mass looting -- it always was directed.

and take the Museum incident as "just an exmaple", plus of course you take the word of only one man, and yet you say MtG and I are the ones being fooled....

As for the anit-Bush press, the real anti-Bush press that exists (mainly sites and web-sites), well, they have far more to report than just what happened at the museum.

	10-05-2003 12:05									#12
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As I said, he sites names, and reports. I wish I had a link. But as you say, anyone who raises any doubts about the accuracy and spin of the liberal press is a certified member of the vast right-wing conspiracy that, among other things, fabricated that infamous story about a White House intern, her kneepads and his cigar.

	10-05-2003 12:19									#13
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The NY Post. What a respectable paper . You should read The Sun. It's even better.

	10-05-2003 12:20									#14
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I haven't heard this, and I listen to all the right-winger radio talk shows like Hannity and O'Reilly . You would figure they woudl jump on this story. So it must be false.

	10-05-2003 12:21									#15
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Oddly, people like Gepap are quite ready to believe in "right-wing, pro -American" conspiracies. Hmm...

	10-05-2003 12:22									#16
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It is kind of hard to believe that every reporter, and every news organization has been in on the conspiracy until this brave soul came along.

	10-05-2003 12:23									#17
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Ok, I know that even Shi and Sloww would simply dismiss this story. But Ned, if you actually believe that EVERY SINGLE REPORTER whos in Iraq is lying, and that its some BIG HUGE conspiracy to ruin Americas image (Surprisingly even from the American government), and this SOLE REPORTER is correct...........

I hardly ever say this to anyone (not even Fez), but if you believe this: Your one of the most STUPID people to ever walk this Earth.

I mean, this is just a HUGE insult to rational thought But thats not exactly what your known for, is it ned?



Edit: See, even NYE is dismissing this.........

Last edited by Comrade Tassadar on 10-05-2003 at 12:31

	10-05-2003 12:24									#18
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and you guys are saying the looting was a bad thing.

you would think left wing socialists of all people would support this.

redistribution of wealth to the poor is a good thing.

sometimes I can't explain what is wrong with left-wingers. All that matters to them is making the Bush administration look bad. They can't realize the fact that Iraqi citizens are better off with all the riches of the Saddam regime.

	10-05-2003 12:24									#19
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf Oddly, people like Gepap are quite ready to believe in "right-wing, pro -American" conspiracies. Hmm...

Or tass.

	10-05-2003 12:25									#20
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf Or tass.

I will admit that some news agencies are biased (Guardin left, Fox right), but to think that EVERY NEWS AGENCY is conspiring WITH EACH OTHER and WITH THE IRAQI PEOPLE to do this.........

Dont tell me you believe it, LoneWolf?

	10-05-2003 12:28									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Ned There is no mass looting -- it always was directed. The reports on the looting of the Museum were lies from the very beginning. The people are genuinely happy to have the Americans present and Saddam gone.

Damn. The CIA has managed to reprogram Al Sahaf.

	10-05-2003 12:32									#22
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Not saying I do.

But what reaction would a story that, for example, FOX News was conspiring with the other news agencies to make the war look better than it was, get from the likes of you? Just as a for instance.

Would you not say "See, see, this is what I've been saying"?

	10-05-2003 12:34									#23
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf Not saying I do.

But your not saying that you dont, either. So respond to the question with one of the FOLLOWING answers. Do not use any other answers or else it will be considered and accepted that you are attempting to avoid the question:

1. I believe that all the news agencies of the world are co-operating to make the war look worse that it is.
2. I do not believe that all the news agencies of the world are co-operating to make the war look worse than it is.

quote: But what reaction would a story that, for example, FOX News was conspiring with the other news agencies to make the war look better than it was, get from the likes of you? Just as a for instance.

I know Fox is trying to make the war look better than it is, but I doubt their actually conspiring with other news agencies Much less ALL the news agencies in the world

	10-05-2003 12:37									#24
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf But what reaction would a story that, for example, FOX News was conspiring with the other news agencies to make the war look better than it was, get from the likes of you?

That would be like a professional stripper conspiring to take her cloths off.

	10-05-2003 12:39									#25
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I will not be told what I can or cannot respond to.

With all due respect (as limited as such respect is due), you have not responded to me.

If someone comes to this Board with a loony anti-American conspiracy theory, you will be the first to jump onboard.

	10-05-2003 12:42									#26
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quote: Originally posted by LoneWolf I will not be told what I can or cannot respond to.

Pulling an Enron on us, Lonewolf? Go ahead and take the fifth.......Because your already speaking MUCH louder than words will allow

quote: With all due respect (as limited as such respect is due), you have not responded to me.

The question I saw is: "Do you believe Fox is conspiring with other networks to make the war look better than it is?" and I responded "While i think while Fox is trying to make the war look better, NO I do not believe they are conspiring with other news agencies."

Please rephrase and restate your question. I must have missed it

quote: If someone comes to this Board with a loony anti-American conspiracy theory, you will be the first to jump onboard.

And you will subscribe to a pro-american anti-everyonelse conspiracy theory, as apparent in this thread.

I recommend you pull out. Your losing very badly right now.

	10-05-2003 12:49									#27
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the thing makes me laugh is that ned chooses to believe one reporter over EVERYONE ELSE simply because that reporter says what ned wants to believe.

	10-05-2003 12:51									#28
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Boy, you sure do like similes, don't you.
Ok, since you don't seem to be able to understand anything not stated in short sound bites, I will try to cut some more complex ideas into small, easily digestible pieces for you:
-No, the looting was a quite apparent fact.
-Yes, I think the idea of an "informal" conspiracy of the press is quite posible.
-Yes, I think that you and your ilk are much more likely to believe in such a conspiracy of the right rahter than the left, even though the left is demonstrably more dominant in the media, even the American media.
Are these small enough bites for you, or do I need to chew them even more?

	10-05-2003 12:53									#29
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mrt144, what's your take on this, you're the expert on looting?

	10-05-2003 12:57									#30
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I think that neds out of his ****ing gord. obviously it was looted by Fox News and other right wing media sources.