10-05-2003 14:02									#1
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Good US:
Liberates Iraq, sets up new Iraqi government, rebuilds economy, leaves.

Bad US:
Conquers Iraq, exterminates resistance, annexes the oil producing areas, and conventionally bombs any arab countries that doesn't like it into ruin. Pump the place dry and leave.

	10-05-2003 14:02									#2
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Good US

USA!

	10-05-2003 14:03									#3
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USA! USA!

	10-05-2003 14:04									#4
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Bad US: spends the past 50 years ****ing up smaller, defenseless countries in the name of "Cold War Diplomacy" and the almighty American Dollar.

	10-05-2003 14:12									#5
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Good US: Stopped te westward spread of Russia for the first time in 500 years, defeats Soviet communism. Exports capitalism, the best weapon against totalitarianism. Gives the world the "perfect harmony" of coca cola. Then takes away the coca and the harmony.

	10-05-2003 14:18									#6
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westward spread of Russia?? The Russians had always been the laughing stock of Europe! When was the last time Russia really did something amazing in a European war prior to 1945?

I mean, they have harsh winters to thank for beating Napoleon. World War I was a disaster from the start...before that they got their arses kicked by Poland for crying out loud

Westward spread of Russia You KILL ME Lancer


oh, and capitalism is the tool of the totalitarianist regime.

	10-05-2003 14:23									#7
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They took the Ukraine from the Kievans.

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OK, that wasn't quite serious, but true nevertheless.

	10-05-2003 15:35									#9
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Good USA: Tradition of anti-authoritarianism.

I love it whenever I'm reading military history and Americans are described as something like, "ill-disciplined rabble." Good.

	10-05-2003 16:12									#10
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quote: Liberates Iraq, sets up new Iraqi government, rebuilds economy, leaves.

What about the Iraqi economy?

	10-05-2003 16:32									#11
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quote: Originally posted by orange When was the last time Russia really did something amazing in a European war prior to 1945?

What does that have to do with anything?

	10-05-2003 16:47									#12
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Lancer: I actually agree with everything you put in your original "good US" category. You should just be honest and look at the entire picture instead of focusing on thing you consider to be good.

Halliburton and other companies "close" to the administration get to profit off of the war. US keeps military bases in Iraq. With the success, the US continues it's pre-emptive doctrine, attacking Iran, maybe Syria.

	10-05-2003 16:52									#13
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Sandman, the Iraqi economy is basicly oil, just oil. If they are selling oil, they have their economy back. When oil rich countries run out of oil, or when oil is no longer in such demand, they will return to the status they held prior to their oil boom. Basicly overpopulated agrarian economies.

Dino, a side discussion regarding the effectiveness of Russia. I claimed that we stopped the westward expansion of Russia for the first time in 500 years. He replied that prior to '45, the Russians were not moving west, were in fact a joke in europe.

	10-05-2003 17:22									#14
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Sava, good, I hope the US gains back some of its expense by using US companies in the rebuilding.

The administration has clearly stated that US forces will be leaving Iraq. Niether Iran or Syria has been attacked. It's possible that our rough treatment of Saddam's military will leave these other regimes in fear of their existance, and cooperative in the areas of terrorism and WMD. Maybe so, maybe not. Whatever the war on terrorism requires, I have confidence will be done.

	10-05-2003 17:26									#15
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Haven't you learned anything Lancer about the way the Republican policy works? They use taxpayer money to do their bidding... run up massive deficits... give themselves and their rich corporate constituents a big tax cut... then reap the rewards, deepening their pockets while everybody else either sits in unemployment or watches their retirement go down the toilet, leaving the next administration to clean up their mess.

	10-05-2003 17:38									#16
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Sava, you'll never be convinced otherwise, so why should I try? Imran and Shi and a few others often bother, try them.

	10-05-2003 17:51									#17
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I simply look at what happens in the real world. You might be inandated with their self-righteous rhetoric, or perhaps you legitimately believe their cause; but you cannot deny the facts, the money trail, and the effects of their policy. Tell me where I am wrong, please!

1. This war is funded by taxpayers.
2. Defense contractors and other close constituents are making money
3. Tax cuts are given, the vast majority of which going to the richest Americans
4. In the "reconstruction" more constituents will profit off of said war.
5. The deficit will be passed on to the next administration, or continued until a Democrat president.

I'm sorry Lancer, but it's the truth. I wish you could see that. It's easy for you to dismiss this as a troll, or consider me some brainwashed victim of the "liberal" media; but every month when I look at my 401k statements, look at the job market, or drive by a country club with Bush\Cheney signs under an American flag; it confirms my suspicions.

	10-05-2003 17:57									#18
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You will remain convinced of that no matter what I say...

Btw, thanks for point #5.

	10-05-2003 18:03									#19
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Actually, I'd be convinced if you showed me strong enough evidence to the contrary. Which is almost the same thing