15-05-2003 16:41									#31
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--"I'll take another shot at Vinge. A Deepness in the Sky."

Some of his short stories were published in the 1960s, if not earlier. Don't think he qualifies.

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	15-05-2003 18:07									#32
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He doesn't.

Btw, Wraith, I was thinking of Imran when I wrote the word "complaining." 'Cause that's what he does best.

	15-05-2003 18:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Wraith --"I'll take another shot at Vinge. A Deepness in the Sky." Some of his short stories were published in the 1960s, if not earlier. Don't think he qualifies. Wraith "That one has head-pigeons. The other is just annoying. Fix it." -- Miss Bitters ("Invader Zim")

Short stories are one thing, what I'm looking for are new novelists.

For example, if it were 1992 and this was a general book discussion group with the same theme, it would be OK to nominate Tom Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities because, even though he was an established writer for 20 years, BotV was his first novel.

Regardless, Vinge wrote novels in the '80s so he is disqualified.

	15-05-2003 18:12									#34
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Btw, Ramo: I really, really want to do that book. Perhaps if Rev. Space wins, my theme will be "Books written by Vernor Vinge that begins with 'Deepness' and ends with 'Sky.' "

	15-05-2003 20:00									#35
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Starfish, Peter Watts (Tor)

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	15-05-2003 21:54									#36
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Hmmm... misread the theme. Figured it was newly published novels, not novelists.

	16-05-2003 01:48									#37
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I've taken the liberty of posting a thread in the NationStates forum regarding nominating "Jennifer Government", the sci-fi book recently published by NationStates creator Max Barry.

That may be a good book for July as:

1) It satisfies the requirements of John's theme (never an easy task )
2) The book appears to involve many issues that will generate some discussion
3) The book has gotten fairly good reviews
4) Many NationStates spammers players have probably already read it and it may draw more people into the ASFDG

Amazon link for Jennifer Government

I would nominate it but I haven't read it. (But don't take this as criticism of the "you have to read it to nominate it" rule, as I happen to agree with that.)

	16-05-2003 02:05									#38
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I nominate The Stone Canal by Ken McLeod. It's a novel about a working libertarian society It was rather enjoyable.

	17-05-2003 00:08									#39
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I posted a thread in the SDMB asking for suggestions... if you're having trouble coming up with some noms, you might want to give it a look.

	17-05-2003 00:43									#40
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But John, we have to read the books before nominating them, so what help would that thread be?

	17-05-2003 01:47									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But John, we have to read the books before nominating them, so what help would that thread be?

Don't confuse us with your logic.

	17-05-2003 02:19									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui But John, we have to read the books before nominating them, so what help would that thread be?

Damnable Lawyers!




You know, you could've brought that up 38 bloody messages ago!!



Rule waived. Dammit, nominate some books people - and start reading new authors as well!

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I nominate The Stone Canal by Ken McLeod. It's a novel about a working libertarian society It was rather enjoyable.

I hated that book!

The thing which annoyed me most was that I read it on the bookshops recommendation that if you like Ian Banks you will like Ken McLeod.

	17-05-2003 02:23									#44
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I have been reading a lot of Fantasy stuff lately. Maybe we should have a fantasy book club too.

	17-05-2003 06:20									#45
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quote: Rule waived. Dammit, nominate some books people - and start reading new authors as well!

Ah, well now... this topic makes 10 times more sense now .

	17-05-2003 13:28									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I have been reading a lot of Fantasy stuff lately. Maybe we should have a fantasy book club too.

There was an attempt at it a few weeks ago I think, but I don't know what became of it. JohnT posted in it, perhaps you can search his threads.

	17-05-2003 18:20									#47
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T'wasn't my thread. I don't read fantasy.

	18-05-2003 04:48									#48
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Then I renominate How Few Remain by Harry Turtledove.

(From Amazon.com)
In 1862, the Confederacy won the War of the Rebellion (not by interference of time travelers, as in Turtledove's Guns of the South, LJ 9/1/92, but by their own skillful military and diplomatic efforts). The defeated North has stewed for nearly 20 years. In this alternate history, the South exercises an opportunity to purchase Sonora and Chihuahua from the bankrupt Mexican Empire, having already wrested Cuba from Spain. James G. Blaine, now president of the United States, arrogantly seizes upon this pretext and invades with the aim of reunification. Lincoln has become an outcast of the Republican Party and preaches socialism while Custer is a frustrated and embittered colonel on the frontier, Samuel Clemens a fiery newspaper editor in San Francisco, and Rosecrans the inadequate head of the Union Army. Turtledove is an accomplished professional at this sort of thing and has given us an entertainment that makes us think somewhat about why we are the way we are.

	18-05-2003 05:16									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Then I renominate How Few Remain by Harry Turtledove.

If you like alternate history stuff, have you read Ward Moore's "Bring the Jubilee", originally published in the 50s? Another good alternate Civil War story.

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	18-05-2003 05:21									#50
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT T'wasn't my thread. I don't read fantasy.

But you did post in it, which is how I found it.

Rogan Josh:

Here's a link to the Fantasty Thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=84882

Not sure what the status is so perhaps you can contact Boshko.

	18-05-2003 05:32									#51
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Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson, the final book in his trilogy, and I think the best. I just finished reading it yesterday.

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quote: Originally posted by Odin Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson, the final book in his trilogy, and I think the best. I just finished reading it yesterday. ---DELETED---

Thanks for the spoiler.

	18-05-2003 06:24									#53
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Yeah, really!!

	18-05-2003 06:43									#54
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DOH!

	19-05-2003 05:03									#55
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How few Remain, damnit!

	21-05-2003 13:46									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Odin Blue Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson, the final book in his trilogy, and I think the best. I just finished reading it yesterday.

KSR published five novels before the cut-off date.

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Last bump before voting thread.

So far we have:

Revelation Space, Aleister Reynolds, nominated by Rogan Josh.
How Few Remain, Harry Turtledove, nominated by Lonestar.
Diaspora, Greg Egan, nominated by St. Leo.
Starfish, Peter Watts, nominated by Jon Miller.
Slaughtermatic, Steve Aylett, nominated by Static Universe.
Perdido Street Station, China Mieville, nominated by Stefu.

Odin, as I said when I PM'ed you, I can't accept Blue Mars as it will require us to read three books to fully understand it.

Lonestar, we don't joke about nominating the Dune prequels in this club - some things are just not funny!

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	22-05-2003 07:49									#58
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John... has Turtledove been writing solely after 1993?

	22-05-2003 07:53									#60
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... well because if he has... I'll nominate a BETTER Turtledove novel .