14-05-2003 12:12									#1
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First order of business, we need to decide what everyone's going to be responsible for, for how long, and how we'll manage the process of elections, etc. With a small team, the old SMAC DG constitution isn't really too workable it would seem.

	14-05-2003 12:42									#2
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I'd like to apply for command of either foreign affairs or the military, and also (officially or unofficially) to be our record-keeper for things like statistics and actions.

Last edited by GeneralTacticus on 14-05-2003 at 12:57

	14-05-2003 13:13									#3
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I would like to do something but I'm not sure what I should do.

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Edit: Actually, I can't use IRC chat (limitations of computers and what have you) so I don't know how well I'd work as a government dude. Maybe I should run the University equivalent of the Recreation Commons.

	14-05-2003 15:00									#4
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I'd like to do something, but I'm not too sure about what. Seeing as how Arch and GT are both living in the Antipodes we do have a time lag issue here.

Anyway, why don't we keep things pretty informal? We discuss and vote as necessary - one of the things that put me (and I'm sure a lot of other ppl) off the previous game was the constant constitutional hagling. With 8 or so participants, it ought to be easy enough to just talk things through.

	14-05-2003 15:01									#5
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And like Prez, I can't access IRC or MSN. I can access ICQ through a web interface, though.

	14-05-2003 15:20									#6
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Well, it isn't really necessary that you be able to show up in chats - just to be able to give orders for your particular area.

	14-05-2003 15:25									#7
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But do we need that? That order stuff seems so tedious - how about we appoint a gubmint, discuss broad issues and have the executives wield executive power according to broad outlines instead of "move former 3 here"?

Then, when sombody inevitably screws up, we impeach him and have the opposition grab the formers, as it were?

	14-05-2003 15:28									#8
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By the late-game, we'd have to, but in the early game (i.e. now) we have to be much more specific, given how much more important each move is.

	14-05-2003 15:42									#9
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But you and Archaic already have an established track record of qualified game play - I'd be inclined to trust you with not doing totally stupid moves, even if we don't vote each and every former movement.

We can still poll stuff like exploration direction and tech choices. Or base build spots.

	14-05-2003 20:28									#10
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We need a Minister of Unethical Experimentation around here (aka, a Science Advisor). He'd probably be one of the more important heads of government, actually.

We also need a commander for our military, and a governor for our capital.

	14-05-2003 20:49									#11
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Don't give military command to me whatever you do. I'm an excellent pure builder, but force me into wars and I find it hard to hold my own unless both sides are facing a distance barrier. Opponents "in my backyard" as it were screw me up.

As for base build spots that someone mentioned earlier......I was going to poll that later, but I may as well present it here and now. I was hoping we might be able to discipline ourselves and go with a modification of the sikander grid I developed for my SP transcend attempts, which I've tried to reproduce below (it's a bit wordy sorry). Of course, the grid is a long term plan, so we'd be ignoring everything except for the Bases in it right now. We'd of course have a lot more forests in the meanwhile for mins.

code:

B - Base
F - Farm/Condensor/Soil Enricher
H - Borehole

N.B. Where a rocky square exists, if in 
an F, this spot changes to a Mine/Road.
If B, it will be leveled. If H, it will be left
alone.
Where bonus tiles exist, for Nutrients,
these become F tiles if anything other
than a base. For Minerals, these
become Mine/Road if an F and rocky,
a Forest if F and not rocky, and remain
as their current one (B or H) otherwise.
For Energy, if they are F tiles, these 
become Solar if above 1500m, Forest
otherwise (if rocky, choice will be made
between Mine/Road and Solar or Forest
on a case by case basis).

Type 1:
BFFFB
HFHFH
FFBFF
HFHFH
BFFFB

or

BHFHB
FFFFF
FHBHF
FFFFF
BHFHB

Type 2:
BFFFB
FHFHF
FFBFF
FHFHF
BFFFB

	15-05-2003 00:09									#12
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Do you run that way from scratch? I usually build up to the first efficiency limit considering geography, resources and strategic position only and start following a more rigid development plan only when I hit that limit.

	15-05-2003 00:09									#13
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I think that directed research decisions are important enough that we should decide each of them by vote or consensus. We wouldn't have joined the University if we didn't have a vested interest in research, after all. Likewise for Social Engineering decisions.

As for who should post the polls, maybe a few broad areas of expertise, such as Military & Foreign Affairs, Science and Social Engineering, and Terraforming and Colonization. That's assuming Archaic doesn't want to post all polls himself, but I'm guessing that wouldn't be his preference.

What do you all think?

	15-05-2003 00:11									#14
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I agree. We're all here for the tech, after all. But we are rapidly coming up against our 24h limit for this turn. Once we pass it, we'll have several days to deliberate our goals.

	15-05-2003 00:20									#15
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I would like to be the Minister of Information (aka Propaganda)

	15-05-2003 00:45									#16
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Propaganda? OK. As long as it shows the virtues of unethical experimentation.

	15-05-2003 06:27									#17
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Unethical Experimentation, eh? I like Unethical Experimentation.

	15-05-2003 06:44									#18
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Don't we all?

	15-05-2003 09:00									#19
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quote: Originally posted by moomin Do you run that way from scratch? I usually build up to the first efficiency limit considering geography, resources and strategic position only and start following a more rigid development plan only when I hit that limit.

Yes, always. I might skip a base location and build there later if it's Rocky, but otherwise I keep to it almost religiously. I also tend to continue borging to infinity where possible.

Let's see then. How about these positions....

Turn Players:
Dean
Chancellor

Faculty Board
Geopolitics (ie - Military)
Exchanges Officer (ie - Foreign Relations)
Marketing, Advertising and Public Relations (ie - Propaganda)
Social Sciences (ie - Terraforming and Colonization)
Pure Sciences (ie - Science. Duh. ^^; )
Campus Expansion and Planning (ie - Base Production)

Social Engineering we can work out as a collective group I think.

EDIT: Added in production

	15-05-2003 13:18									#20
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Hmmm... given that there's seven positions there and I doubt everyone will be able to take a position, I assume we'd be allowed to combine them?

	15-05-2003 14:01									#21
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Of course.

	15-05-2003 15:19									#22
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I guess GT would like to take the position as our "Football Manager"?

I guess I could go for Exchange Officer, for starters.

	15-05-2003 15:22									#23
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"Football Manager" and Chancellor, if possible...

	15-05-2003 15:35									#24
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I don't see why not. With Tass at the helm over at Affirmative Action Reports, Arch as... well, Archdean, yourself as Chancellor and Footy Manager, me as Exchange Officer... we need to fill more spots. I recall Adam having servered as Science guy in the last game - perhaps he would be interested in doing that again?

How about the rest of you guys? We're 9 here right now, after all.

	15-05-2003 15:41									#25
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Yes, Adam did quite well as DoR in the first game... as for Social Sciences, I have absolutely no idea. I also note that there is no position on that list for production.

	15-05-2003 17:21									#26
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	15-05-2003 22:27									#27
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I'm open for much of anything, as long as it doesn't mean I have to fix the CD-Drive immediately...gulp.

	15-05-2003 22:28									#28
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy I'm open for much of anything, as long as it doesn't mean I have to fix the CD-Drive immediately...gulp.

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	15-05-2003 23:05									#29
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Bugger. Suppose I haven't much choice, then.

I'll see what I can do.

*eyes Tassadar's shredder pistol*

Anything you particularly need work on? *gulp*

	16-05-2003 01:39									#30
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I wouldn't mind doing Research for a while, but I don't want to prevent anyone else from doing it.

For those who aren't familiar with my term in the last game, what I would basically do is write up descriptions of all the possible technologies listing their prerequisites and benefits in a "story" format, much like the Science Advisor in Civ III. So if you'd like that sort of thing, I can certainly do it. I'll probably end up resigning in a month or so when my summer job picks up, but I could do this for the early game.

If anyone else wants the position, I'll step aside, and let some new blood take over. On the other hand, if you'd like me to serve in this capacity, I'll do my best.