15-05-2003 04:46									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I don't even mind Cronkite's opinions about Vietnam. When such an immoral, unjust, and terribly wrong action occurs by a Democratic nation, it would be wrong to try and not express your opinions about it.

How is that not a double standard?

	15-05-2003 04:51									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael How is that not a double standard?

Sure it's a double standard. I never professed to be better than anyone else in that regard.

	15-05-2003 06:16									#63
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All these 24 hour "news" stations with the possible exception of "Headline News" (I don't watch enough to know) are ~90% commentary/debate and ~10% actual news. CNN, MSNBC, and Fox have a bunch of talking head shows because their ratings would suck if all they did was repeat news stories over and over all day long. CNN is the most liberal, MSNBC tries to have some balance and Fox leans to the right of both, but as far as I'm concerned, they're all left wing outlets. The "debate" on these shows is not about limiting the fed to it's constitutional limits, but about how much more and faster we should embrace socialist and quasi-socialist policies.

	15-05-2003 06:27									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker CNN is the most liberal, MSNBC tries to have some balance and Fox leans to the right of both, but as far as I'm concerned, they're all left wing outlets. The "debate" on these shows is not about limiting the fed to it's constitutional limits, but about how much more and faster we should embrace socialist and quasi-socialist policies.

Uh WOW! Anyone who views Fox news as liberal is so far out there I don't even know what to think. Are you basicly in favor of abolishing taxation and the government? What's scary is you don't even seem to recognize that your position is extreme.

	15-05-2003 06:38									#65
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My opinion:


CBS: Liberal
ABC: Liberal
BBC: Liberal
CNN: Moderate
NBC: Moderate
FOX: Conservative
US Public Radio: Depends on state, Minnesota Public Radio is liberal.

	15-05-2003 07:06									#66
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Zippergate was a much better description.

	15-05-2003 08:10									#67
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Since when, exactly, did describing people who disagree with the administration as "sickening" become reasoned, principled political opinion, as opposed to mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, uber-jingoistic horseshit?

	15-05-2003 08:11									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Ned By Niel Cavuto of Fox Columnist Paul Krugman, ...blasts me for my apparent blatant partisanship. He writes: "Neil Cavuto of Fox News is an anchor, not a commentator...’" First off, Mr. Krugman, let me correct you: I'm a host and a commentator..."

From Fox News bios:
"Neil Cavuto was named anchor and managing editor of business news for the Fox News Channel in July 1996."

	15-05-2003 08:20									#69
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Mordoch -

quote: Uh WOW! Anyone who views Fox news as liberal is so far out there I don't even know what to think.

Obviously.

quote: Are you basicly in favor of abolishing taxation and the government? What's scary is you don't even seem to recognize that your position is extreme.

Uh WOW! Did I say Fox was liberal or that government should be abolished? I said these "news" stations were left and that Fox was to the right of CNN and MSNBC. They are left and liberalism is just one ideology on the left, I never see any of these stations advocating a return to the Constitution, they ALL consistently push for increases in federal control over our lives, they just don't all agree on which increases we need. When was the last time any of these stations seriously promoted the notion that the New Deal or Great Society should be repealed? All we get from them is fine tuning, i.e., "reforming" current big government programs. Btw, I'm well aware my views are "extreme" and that most people are far to my left, so unless you can actually quote me saying I thought my views were "mainstream", maybe you should stick with what I've said instead of fabricating strawmen.

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I bet if Cavuto and Krugman got in a fight, Cavuto would kick his ass, whellchair or not .

	15-05-2003 09:22									#71
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quote: Anyone who views Fox news as liberal is so far out there I don't even know what to think.

Don't mind him. He thinks anyone to the left of him economically (ie, just about everyone) is a liberal.

	15-05-2003 09:25									#72
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quote: I bet if Cavuto and Krugman got in a fight, Cavuto would kick his ass, whellchair or not

Not sure, those eyes look kind of scary.

	15-05-2003 09:26									#73
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quote: Were Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw given segments in which to espouse their own political views, do you think that would be a reasonable way of presenting information to the public?

Well don't they? I mean, NBC News' "Fleecing of America" really approaches editorial work, but under the guise of 'news'.

	15-05-2003 09:32									#74
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while cavuto looks like a bit of *****...
but he is younger...

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	15-05-2003 09:33									#75
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More people are watching FOX than are watching CNN.



Read em and weep.

	15-05-2003 09:47									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer More people are watching FOX than are watching CNN. Read em and weep.

Yeah well, didn't you guys used the "majority isn't right" argument a lot before? Looks like it's turning around and biting you in the arse.

	15-05-2003 09:47									#77
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wow lancer, that means there america must have a lot of idiots.

	15-05-2003 09:49									#78
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Good, keep weepin'

	15-05-2003 10:02									#79
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Imran is correct, they do often throw in editorial segments at the end of their news. NBC has fleecing of America, ABC has John Stossel, and CBS has Andy Rooney

	15-05-2003 10:02									#80
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yeah, thats what im doing jackass. you can continue to keep getting mentally sodomized by a network that tells you what you want to hear.

	15-05-2003 10:05									#81
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Shi didn't deserve THAT!

	15-05-2003 10:30									#82
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quote: Originally posted by HershOstropoler Yes. Nothing funnier than a sissy with a temper.

I thought his remarks were right on target. He expressed an opinion in an opinion segment. Still haven't seen you attacking CNN for blatant pandering to Saddam (pulling news stories and the like from reprisal fears). Just see the usual arch nose-looking down crap.

You showed me you were full of **** with your Bagdhad thread.

You're just still pissy that we won and that the Iraqi people loved it.

	15-05-2003 10:31									#83
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Oh...and by the way, the dumb "I'm a troll and I like to look superior for someone else reacting to something" is passe.

	15-05-2003 10:33									#84
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Does Cavuto even do a regular news hosting? Or does he run the business news "magazine"?

	15-05-2003 10:44									#85
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quote: Originally posted by GP You're just still pissy that we won and that the Iraqi people loved it.

No Bush! No Saddam! Yes yes for Islam!

	15-05-2003 11:22									#86
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George! Where have you been!?

"I thought his remarks were right on target."

That Cavuto guy is a clown. No more to say.

"Still haven't seen you attacking CNN for blatant pandering to Saddam (pulling news stories and the like from reprisal fears)."

Yes, CNN sucks. Many ways - like pandering to Bush, by eliminating critical passages from a Blix report on their website. Please.

There isn't much difference between CNN or Fox. It's funny how you can get so excited about it. Both are jingoistic and crappy. Fox is just more blatant about it.

"You showed me you were full of **** with your Bagdhad thread."

Oh, did I hurt your nationalist feelings? I could say you're full of it for your inspirational story thread. Just accept that your pro-US bias is just that, a bias, not objective.

"You're just still pissy that we won and that the Iraqi people loved it."

Darling, hate to break this to you, but you've won nothing and are on track of losing more. The Iraqis love you so much that Mr Garner had to be removed from the country, for fear of being loved to death, I presume?

	15-05-2003 11:55									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin As long as they come out and tell you "This segment is an editorial" then I don't have a problem with it ...

They should also have some sort of on-screen icon and/or words indicating that the segment is editorializing, in case a viewer comes upon the ranting and raving while flipping through the channels.

Either that or the few solid cable news programs should stick with news and let their commentator and talk-show brethren (which dominate cable anyway) do the editorializing instead of the anchor(s) spouting off.

Gatekeeper

	15-05-2003 13:39									#88
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quote: Don't mind him. He thinks anyone to the left of him economically (ie, just about everyone) is a liberal.

Nah, I acknowledge that most conservatives are to my left as well, but the fact they have more in common with liberals than the Founders hardly indicates they are right wing.

	15-05-2003 14:11									#89
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Berzerker, so your position is that since conservatives in the year 2003 has more in common with liberals living in the year 2003 than the founding fathers who lived in 1774, that defines their ideology?

What about me then? I have significantly more in common with modern social democrats than I have with king Gustav III - does that make m a socialist? I sincerely hope not, since I left the bloody country to escape the socialists...

Anyway, the point is that you can't really define the ideology by 230 year old standards (unless you interpret "conservative" literally, in which case you can't juxtaposition it with "liberal" anyway).

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quote: Originally posted by GP Oh...and by the way, the dumb "I'm a troll and I like to look superior for someone else reacting to something" is passe.

Tell that to Lancer and Slowwhand.