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Ned is offline Ned
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Watch out how you say it though:

By Niel Cavuto of Fox.

"Since no good deed goes unpunished, leave it to The New York Times to take a shot at me. Not The Times itself, but columnist Paul Krugman, who blasts me for my apparent blatant partisanship.
He writes:
"Neil Cavuto of Fox News is an anchor, not a commentator. Yet after Baghdad's fall he told ‘those who opposed the liberation of Iraq’ -- a large minority -- that ‘you were sickening then; you are sickening now.’"
First off, Mr. Krugman, let me correct you: I'm a host and a commentator, just like you no doubt call yourself a journalist and a columnist. So my sharing my opinions is a bad thing, but you spouting off yours is not?
Exactly who's the hypocrite, Mr. Krugman? Me, for expressing my views in a designated segment at the end of the show? Or you, for not so cleverly masking your own biases against the war in a cheaply written column?
You're as phony as you are unprofessional. And you have the nerve to criticize me, or Fox News, and by extension, News Corporation?
Look, I'd much rather put my cards on the table and let people know where I stand in a clear editorial, than insidiously imply it in what's supposed to be a straight news story. And by the way, you sanctimonious twit, no one -- no one -- tells me what to say. I say it. And I write it. And no one lectures me on it. Save you, you pretentious charlatan.
Let me see if I have this right, Mr. Krugman. Journalists who opposed this war are OK. Those who support it are not. Says who? You?
I'm less of a journalist because I was in favor of this war, but you're more of a journalist because you were not? You imply that by being in favor of this war, I'm pandering, and by extension, my company is pandering to the White House.
Nowhere does it ever occur to you, one can legitimately not agree with you. That doesn't make me less of a journalist. But, Mr. Krugman, it does make you more of an ass. Here's the difference: You insinuated it, I just said it.
Now may I suggest you take your column and shove it?"

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frie...6,86795,00.html

Arrian is offline Arrian
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Most of the time I can't stand pissing contests between journalists, but this guy's pretty funny.

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That's Niel Cavuto for you - never one to sugar-coat a response.

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Boris Godunov is offline Boris Godunov
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How knuckle-dragging Neanderthals like Cavuto get jobs wherein they are responsible for communicating information is beyond me. The dung-flinging in his response just makes him look like more of a jackass, though.

Imran Siddiqui is offline Imran Siddiqui

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I must admit it is amusing that someone from the NY Times would be calling someone else biased .

JohnT is offline JohnT

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Wow. The responses of support/non-support for Cavuto are matching their resective posters' political biases! What a surprise!

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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
How knuckle-dragging Neanderthals like Cavuto get jobs wherein they are responsible for communicating information is beyond me. The dung-flinging in his response just makes him look like more of a jackass, though.


I think the problem I have with FOX is that they are a 24-hour editorial service disguised as a News source. They should have a constant banner running across the screen that says "this is not objective reporting, this is an editorial". I don't have a problem with FOX giving their opinions. It's the misrepresentation of fact.

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I must admit it is amusing that someone from the NY Times would be calling someone else biased .
The big difference is that there is an editorial section of the paper where opinionated pieces are seperated from the news. On Fox, there is no such distinction.

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Cavuto hit it right on the head.

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Anyone who interjects their opinions into the news is not a journalist.

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That Cavuto guy is a riot.

I'm just not sure that Krugman would really attribute positive value to the term "Journalist".

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That Cavuto guy is a riot.

I'm just not sure that Krugman would really attribute positive value to the term "Journalist".
they both fall under the category of "jag-bag".

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Does Cavuto post on Poly?

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Show me someone who is NOT biased.

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He's too busy sp**king to pictures of Bush...

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I love it when Cavouto gets pissed. The comments he makes while mad amuse me to no end.

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Show me someone who is NOT biased.
ME!

Shi Huangdi is offline Shi Huangdi
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The big difference is that there is an editorial section of the paper where opinionated pieces are seperated from the news. On Fox, there is no such distinction.


Errr. the article mentioned the opinion giving was restricited to a certain segment at the end of the show.

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I love it when Cavouto gets pissed. The comments he makes while mad amuse me to no end.


Yes. Nothing funnier than a sissy with a temper.

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Yes. Nothing funnier than a sissy with a temper.
You should have seen his comments about the French.

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NEWFLASH -- not only are you biased, but you are also delusional.

If you're a human being, you're biased.

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I'd rather see Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarborough go at it. I disagree with what they say but I still think they are good journalists.

....but I find Scarborough more tho.

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Errr. the article mentioned the opinion giving was restricited to a certain segment at the end of the show.
The original article in it's entirety isn't posted. And Fox might make such attempts to seperate fact from opinion, but it doesn't succeed.

Sava is offline Sava
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If you're a human being, you're biased.

don't make such assumptions

Defiant is offline Defiant
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Doesn't succeed in your opinion.

HershOstropoler is offline HershOstropoler
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You should have seen his comments about the French.


It's a real shame I can't recieve Fox anymore.

Was Cavuto at least a bit more creative than the other rabid rightists?

Sava is offline Sava
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Doesn't succeed in your opinion.
oh I'm sorry, I wasn't aware Fox has succeeded in providing America with objective, bias-free news.

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Sava, I just happened to catch Cavuto's original editorial. It came at the very end of his show where he gives his opinion on some issue. No one watching at the time could have mistaken it as something else. That is what set Cavuto off, the NY Times report implied that Cavuto said this while reporting the news.

I can't wait, tough, to hear the response from Klugman. If he does respond, could someone post it here?

Ned is offline Ned
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Originally posted by HershOstropoler


It's a real shame I can't recieve Fox anymore.

Was Cavuto at least a bit more creative than the other rabid rightists?


What do you mean by "creative?"

(In view of Cavuto's tone, I think "rabid" is close to accurate.)

 
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