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In the year 550 BC.

In this document popes can proclaim formal rules for every catholic: priests, nobles, merchants, soldiers, and peasants.

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General Law

Article I. The Bible and especially the word of the Lord is the only truth.

Article II. Absolute rule rests in the hands of the pope.

Article III. Decisions of cardinals have to be obeyed by all priests lower in rank and all laymen, unless the pope decides different.

Article IV. Decisions of the Head of the Inquisition have to be obeyed by any person, unless the pope decides different.

Article V. Thou shalt obey the Ten Commandments.

Article VI. The King and the Pope are the representatives of the Allmighty God on earth. It is forbidden to undertake any action that undermines the position of the King or the Pope. Those who do so will be punished by being burned at a stake.
Republicanism is outlawed.

Article VII. Thou shalt not insult the Church and its servants, the Pope, the cardinals and bishops, the Head of the Inquisition, the abbots, the monks and the frairs.


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Law on Priests

Article I. Thou shalt not marry a woman, for thy only love is dedicated to the almighty God.

Article II. Thou shalt not have carnal pleasures and be voluptuous.


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Law on Laymen

Article I. Thou shalt not marry a married woman or man.

Article II. Thou shalt not devorce from a wife or husband.

Article III. Thou shalt not have more than one wife or husband.

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Your Holiness, may I suggest an addition to the Law on Priests, Article I?

The proposed addition would read:

"Article I. Thou shalt not marry a woman, for in thy ordination thy hath been wed to the Holy Church, just as Christ Himself hath been wed to the Church. For just as the Church is His Own Spouse, so the Church is your only spouse."

And, from the Laws of the Laymen:

"Article II. Thou shalt not divorce from a wife or husband. If such a time arises when a seperation is called for, thy shall submit thy case to the Curia. If thy case is found to be one that sincerely calls for seperation, the Pope may allow an anullment."

Respectfully submitted to thee, Your Holiness. May God judge all of your decisions, as always.

Cardinal Fernand de History Guy Calamari
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"Article I. Thou shalt not marry a woman, for in thy ordination thy hath been wed to the Holy Church, just as Christ Himself hath been wed to the Church. For just as the Church is His Own Spouse, so the Church is your only spouse."
Cardinal Fernand de History Guy Calamari
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And what about those gospels that say that The Son of Our Lord Jesus Christ, most Holy in His Grace, felt a love more than that of caring brother for Mary Magdalene? A merchant was selling One of those right the other day, on the main square of Madrid...


Wich makes me ask to you, Holy men, what is the Church´s position to burning a whole city because some veery few are paranoid about a plague that had almost no victims so far?

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Cardinal Calamari and Sir Winterius, please discuss these things in the Abbey of St Benedictus, that is the Church's only discussionthread at the moment.

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Law on frairs

Article I.
a. Frairs are laymen that are members of a monasterial order. They have access to their own monastery.
b. Frairs can only be member of one order at the same time.

Article II. Thou shalt not marry a woman, for thy only love is dedicated to the almighty God.

Article III. Thou shalt not have carnal pleasures and be voluptuous.

Article IV. Thou shalt not preach.


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Law on Abbeys and Monasteries

Article I.
a. An abbot is the head of the monasterial order. And thus head of the abbey or monastery.
b. An abbot has the right to deny people membership of the order if they are already member of another order.
c. An abbot has the right to bring offenders of the monasterial rules before the inquisition.

Article II.
a. Monks are priests of a specific monasterial order.
b. Monks cannot be member of more than one order at the same time.
c. Monks have access to their own monastery or abbey and can join discussions in there.

Article III. Members of the monasterial order have the right of free speech inside the monastery as long as what they say does not:
A.
a. insult the almighty God.
b. insultthe Lord Jesus Chist.
c. insult the Holy Spirit.
d. insult the Saints.
e. insult the Pope and Cardinals
f. insult Other officials of the Church such as abbots and the Head of the Inquisition.
g. insult the King of Spain and other catholic kings.
h. insult priests and frairs.
j. insult all other people.

B. Exception to the right of free speech:
a. Preaching ideas that are not approved by the pope

Article IV. Everything that is said and that is not included in Article III of the Law on Abbey's and Monasteries in an abbey or monastery cannot be used for trials by the inquisition.

Article V. An Abbey or Monastery:
a. Should have an abbot.
b. Should have active members.
c. Should be named and consecrated to a Saint.
d. is declared dead if there hasn't been any conversation in it for a month.
e. can be founded freely as long as they fir the rules above and the founder asks for approval from the pope.
f. can be brought alive after they have been declared dead according to the rules specified in Article V e.


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Law on the Inquisition

Article I. Every suspect has the right to defend himself or herself in trial.

Article II. Every suspect has the right to use any method to convince the judges of his innocense as long as this does not harm the Church, its servants and the Inquisition.

Article III. The Inquisition has the right to use any method to prove its accusation is right. The suspect may not die as a consequence of the method that was used by the Inquisition to gain evidence.

Article IV. The punishments the Inquisition can use to punish the suspect are:

  1. Fine. Suspects that cannot pay their fine are condemned to serfdom for the time that is equal to paying their fine.
  2. Missionary work
  3. Serfdom
  4. Exile
  5. Torture
  6. Death though 1) hanging on the gallow; 2) burning at a stake.
  7. A combination of the previous punishments.


Article V. If the suspect shows repentance during the entire trial, this should be taken into account when the judge determines the punishment.

Article VI.
a. Witchcraft as a special form of heressy is forbidden, the only suitable punishment is to burn at a stake.
b. Witchcraft can only be proved by binding weights at the arms and legs of the suspected man or woman. If the suspect is drowned, his or her name is cleared of accusations and becomes subject to sanctity. If the suspect does not sink, he or she is a proved witch.

Article VII. It is forbidden to kill heretics that have not yet been judged by the Inquisition. If a heretic has been judged by the inquisition it is also forbidden to kill the heretic person.

Article VIII. Suspects may only be punished for crimes of which the Inquisition can prove they are committed.

Article IX. Suspects may not attemt to flee to escape from trial, neither attempt to escape trial.

Article X. Suspects have the right to ask the Pope for pardon. To the decision of the Pope there is no escape.

Article XI. The Inquisition has a tribunal of judges and a prosecutor. This Tribunal is called the Tribunal of the Inquisition and contain three Judges of the Inquisition. One of them is the chairman of this tribunal and is Called the Head of Inquisition. Under normal circumstances the Tribunal of the Inquisition will judge.

Article XII. The judicial power of the Pope.

Section A. The Pope has judicial power to:
  1. set aside any judgement made by the Tribunal of the Inquisition. The restriction to this is that the Pope is only allowed to do this after the final judgement has been made by the Tribunal of the Inquisition or the Head of Inquisition*, but not during the trial.
  2. Decide that the trial will be done by only the Head of Inquisition.
  3. replace judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition or the Head of Inquisition* during a trial or after a trial if the Pope judges them to be biased.
  4. Interfere in the trial by presenting rules that apply to the ongoing trial only.
  5. question the prosecutor, the accused suspect and the witnesses;
  6. judge whether the accused suspect is guilty or unguilty. In his judgement the Pope has to take all evidence into account and argue why he has made the decision he has made. The Pope needn't to defend his decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else.
  7. decide which punishment he inflicts on the accused suspect if he or she is found guilty. The Pope needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else. The Pope can agree with the punishment that is proposed by the prosecutor or not, that is up to the Pope himself.


Section B. The Pope is oliged to:
  1. not neglect any evidence that is shown to him, whether it is a testification of a witness, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that the prosecutor thinks to be relevant to this case.
  2. argue why he judges the accused suspect guilty or unguilty. He has to do this by arguing why certain evidence is more important than other evidence.


Article XIII. The Head of the Inquisition.

The task Head of the Inquisition is to:

  1. make sure that the judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition make a judgement in the trial that is presented before the Tribunal of the Inquisition.
  2. lead the trial. The Head of the Inquisition has the power to decide that certain issues should be left out of the trial because they are not relevant to the trial. Any person except the Pope, even the other judges of the inquisition have to obey this decision.
  3. make sure that the Tribunal of the Inquisition has one judgement. In case the judgements of the three judges do not fit, he has to find a way to make them fit. This can for instance be done by negotiation or by vote.
  4. publish the judgement of the Tribunal of the Inquisition.


Article XIV. Judges.

Section A. Judges have the power to:

  1. question the prosecutor, the accused suspect and the witnesses;
  2. judge whether the accused suspect is guilty or not. In their judgement judges have to take all evidence into account and argue why they have made the decision they have made. Judges needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else.
  3. decide which punishment they inflict on the accused suspect if he or she is found guilty. Judges needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else. Judges can agree with the punishment that is proposed by the prosecutor or not, that is up to the judge himself


Section B. Judges are obliged to:
  1. not neglect any evidence that is shown to them, whether it is a testification of a witness, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that the prosecutor thinks to be relevant in this trial.
  2. argue why they judge the accused suspect guilty or unguilty. They have to do this by arguing why certain evidence is more important than other evidence.
  3. Inform the Head of the Inquisition of their judgement.
  4. be unbiased. If any person publicly accuses a judge of a biased attitude towards either party, he has to prove this before the Pope by starting a trial.


Article XV. Prosecutors.

Prosecutors have the right to:

  1. start an inquiry when a punishable fact has been committed. This means a break of the Law of the Church.
  2. Collect any evidence. There are no restrictions to collecting evidence, but the prosecutor needs permission of the Tribunal of the Inquisition or Head of Inquisition* to use force to collect evidence.
  3. arrest any person whom he suspects to be significantly related to the committed punishable fact(s).
  4. start a trial if he thinks he has enough evidence and he thinks there is a good chance that the accused suspect shall be found guilty.
  5. Present evidence against the accused suspect to the Tribunal of the Inquisition or Head of Inquisition*. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that he thinks to be relevant in this trial.
  6. make a proposal to the Tribunal of the Inquisition or Head of Inquisition* for a punishment.
  7. bring the case before the Pope if he considers the unacceptable. He has to argue why he considers it unacceptable. If the Pope considers his arguments rightly, the case is officially brought before the Pope and the Tribunal of the Inquisition or Head of Inquisition* has no power, nor role in the case anymore.
  8. Present evidence against the accused suspect to the Pope. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that prosecutor thinks to be relevant to this case.
  9. make a proposal to the Pope for a punishment.


Article XVI. Any person has to obey decisions made by the Tribunal of the inquisition, the Head of Inquisition or the Pope.

Article XVII. The Head of the Inquisition is a judge of the inquisition. All rules that apply to the judges of the inquisition apply to him to unless the Law of the Church states different or the Pope decides different.

Article XVIII. Any person has the right to accuse a judge of a biased attitude . He or she has to bring evidence before the Pope and prove this. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that he or she thinks to be relevant in this trial.

* In case there is no Tribunal of the Inquisition or the pope has decided that the trial will be done by only the Head of Inquisition.


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Article III. Thou shalt not have more than one wife.


So, more than one husband is OK. Guess the girls will like that

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You do realize that I expect to be burned at the stake at least several times now, don't you? So, just what are these LAWS?????

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Please no discussion here. Create a character for the Abbey and discuss there.

This is only meant to have a few things cleared up. We cannot judge people in a fair way, unless we write down rules for that game.
I want to prevent that people get irritated from the actions of the watcher, who is now Head of the Inquisition. It is not the watcher's faulth that some of our fellow teammembers got irritated, but the mistake of us all because we didn't write down rules.

But again

Please no discussion here. Create a character for the Abbey and discuss there.

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unless you are the Pope or a cardinal. Cardinals, please post only if you have confirmation of the Pope.

In this thread all official edicts of the Church are published.

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Cardinals
Cardinal Tacticus - Vice Pope
Cardinal Calamari - Advisor of the Pope
Cardinal Winterius - Foreign Bisshop
Cardinal Quixote - [no special function yet]
Cardinal Pikesfan - [no special function yet]


Bisshops
Archbishop Calamari
Foreign Bishop Winterius


Paladins of the Church - Holy Order of Crusaders
Lord Nuclearis Winterius
Lord Juan de Molay
Lord Roberto de la Civ


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Abbot [no abbot yet]
Padre Riqui de la Civ
Frater Colomba Calamari


Priests and Parishes
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Archbishop Calamari,

I order you to design a plan to open the doors of the Vatican to the world [ooc] have threads in the main forum[/ooc].

Please inform the monks and frairs of the Abbey of St. Benedictus of your ideas on a regualr basis, so that they can think about it and make suggestions.

Please reply to this in the Abbey so that this thread is kept clean from discussion.

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I hereby announce that I officially appoint Cardinal Calamari as judge in the trial against señor Godking. After this trial I will officially appoint a new judge who will remain judge until his death.

Señor Torquemada will hereby be ordered to ONLY collect evidence following the procedures of the Law on the Inquisition and advise Cardinal Calamari.

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I officially appoint señor Torquemada as Head of Inquisition. He has the powers to judge the cases that are brought before the Inquisition by the porsecutor.

Iofficially appoint señor BigFree as Prosecutor of the Inquisition. He has the powers to start an inquiry, bring the case before the Inquisition, collect evidence, to call up witnesses to testify against the supect and to propose a punishment.

I hope to appoint two more judges in order to have a tribunal. Even if I appoint these judges, señor Torquemada remains judge. I will not appoint any judges during the trial.

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I officially appoint the Cardinals Tacticus and Winterius as Judges of the Inquisition. Their task is together with Señor Torquemada, Head of the Inquisition and highest judge, who takes the lead and should make sure the trial is held fairly.

In case that the three judges do not agree, it is up to Señor Torquemada to find a solution for that. If he thinks such is not possible, he can request the Pope to do that instead of himself. Thus the task of the Head of Inquisition is a very important one.

Because the trial on the murder of the heretic GodKing has not yet started, but only the inquiry of Señor Libre, the Tribunal of the Inquisition shall rule in the case of the Murder of the heretic GodKing.

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I am a bit confused with you new set of instructions; I was attempting to make this trial as fair as possible, which, you have probably subtily discovered, is not a natural tendency for me. This is the main reason why I devote a considerable energy to satisfy myself that all arguments presented by the prosecutor are well founded and relevant. This is the price of fairness.


Can you tell me exactly which instructions?


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I officially appoint the Cardinals Tacticus and Winterius as Judges of the Inquisition. Their task is together with Señor Torquemada, Head of the Inquisition and highest judge, who takes the lead and should make sure the trial is held fairly.



Your obeying son

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The grammar is a bit bad because of the long sentence. What I mean to say is that you are the Head of Inquisition, the highest judge. Cardinals Tacticus and Winterius are appointed as normal judges. All three of you have equal powers in the trial, but because you are chairman of the tribunal, you are given, in addition, the power to lead the trial and you have some other duties. I have cleared it out in this new edict that will be added to the Law on the Inquisition as soon as the trial is over.

New rules:

The three judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition have the power to:

  • question the prosecutor, the accused suspect and the witnesses;
  • judge whether the accused suspect is guilty or not. In their judgement judges have to take all evidence into account and argue why they have made the decision they have made. Judges needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else.
  • decide which punishment they inflict on the accused suspect if he or she is found guilty. Judges needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else. Judges can agree with the punishment that is proposed by the prosecutor or not, that is up to the judge himself


The three judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition are obliged to:
  • not neglect any evidence that is shown to them, whether it is a testification of a witness, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that the prosecutor thinks to be relevant in this trial.
  • argue why they judge the accused suspect guilty or unguilty. They have to do this by arguing why certain evidence is more important than other evidence.
  • Inform the Head of the Inquisition of their judgement.
  • be unbiased. If any person publicly accuses a judge of a biased attitude towards either party, he has to prove this before the Pope by starting a trial.


Prosecutors have the right to:
  • start an inquiry when a punishable fact has been committed. This means a break of the Law of the Church.
  • Collect any evidence. There are no restrictions to collecting evidence, but the prosecutor needs permission of the Tribunal of the Inquisition to use force to collect evidence.
  • arrest any person whom he suspects to be significantly related to the committed punishable fact(s).
  • start a trial if he thinks he has enough evidence and he thinks there is a good chance that the accused suspect shall be found guilty.
  • Present evidence against the accused suspect to the Tribunal of the Inquisition. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that he thinks to be relevant in this trial.
  • make a proposal to the Tribunal of the Inquisition for a punishment.
  • bring the case before the Pope if he considers the unacceptable. He has to argue why he considers it unacceptable. If the Pope considers his arguments rightly, the case is officially brought before the Pope and the Tribunal of the Inquisition has no power, nor role in the case anymore.
  • Present evidence against the accused suspect to the Pope. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that prosecutor thinks to be relevant to this case.
  • make a proposal to the Pope for a punishment.


The Pope has judicial power to:
  • set aside any judgement made by the Tribunal of the Inquisition. The restriction to this is that the Pope is only allowed to do this after the final judgement has been made by the Tribunal of the Inquisition, but not during the trial.
  • replace judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition during a trial or after a trial if the Pope judges them to be biased.
  • Interfere in the trial by presenting rules that apply to the ongoing trial only.
  • question the prosecutor, the accused suspect and the witnesses;
  • judge whether the accused suspect is guilty or unguilty. In his judgement the Pope has to take all evidence into account and argue why he has made the decision he has made. The Pope needn't to defend his decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else.
  • decide which punishment he inflicts on the accused suspect if he or she is found guilty. The Pope needn't to defend this decision in a debate with the prosecutor or anyone else. The Pope can agree with the punishment that is proposed by the prosecutor or not, that is up to the Pope himself.


The Pope is oliged to:
  • not neglect any evidence that is shown to him, whether it is a testification of a witness, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that the prosecutor thinks to be relevant to this case.
  • argue why he judges the accused suspect guilty or unguilty. He has to do this by arguing why certain evidence is more important than other evidence.


The task Head of the Inquisition is to:
  • make sure that the judges of the Tribunal of the Inquisition make a judgement in the trial that is presented before the Tribunal of the Inquisition.
  • lead the trial. The Head of the Inquisition has the power to decide that certain issues should be left out of the trial because they are not relevant to the trial. Any person except the Pope, even the other judges of the inquisition have to obey this decision.
  • make sure that the Tribunal of the Inquisition has one judgement. In case the judgements of the three judges do not fit, he has to find a way to make them fit. This can for instance be done by negotiation or by vote.
  • publish the judgement of the Tribunal of the Inquisition.


Any person has the right to:
  • accuse a judge of the Tribunal of the Inquisition of a biased attitude . He or she has to bring evidence before the Pope and prove this. This evidence can include testifications of witnesses, physical evidence, written evidence and pronunciations of any person that he or she thinks to be relevant in this trial.


Other rules:

  • Any person has to obey decisions made by the Tribunal of the inquisition, the Head of Inquisition or the Pope.
  • The Head of the Inquisition is a judge of the inquisition. All rules that apply to the judges of the inquisition apply to him to unless the Law of the Church states different or the Pope decides different.



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Cardinal Winterius is appointed as the only judge in the case of the insult by the revolutionary Torquemada.

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Señor Libre is hereby officially appointed as Head of the Inquisition.

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From now on Republicanism is OUTLAWED and ANY republican will be put in JAIL if he dares to say anything about changing the government or performs any acttions that undermine the position of the King.

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