17-05-2003 04:15									#1
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I don't know guys.. Ok I'm drunk as hell right now. But not why you think... I'm in deep trouble guys.. really.. I am. I was sober..like I usually am.. Ok I was the driver for my buddies... Ok.. I'm sorry if I dont' male any sense., I can't reallt type or see what aIII'm typing. The problem is, I konked out some fat big ass bouncer. He was attakcing my firned who I was getting out of restaurant ok? I was sober.. he was too. The bouncer I mean, my friend was drunk as hell. So only thinkg )I see is bouncer tearing my friend to peaces, adn I get this hell atttitude form damien or sometingf. I yl4el 'LETT GO OF HIM RIGHT NOW!'.... nothing happens an dthis bouncer hits my freind to head. So I get angry as hell and attack him, and I accidentally hit him as I run towards the bouncer and accidentally hurt the big f:ing bas_rd a bit and he drops, and what do I get? THE COPS! Yeah, jail time, once agian. I get out after 20 minutes of questoning, I said I defended my firend who was getting abeating from 270 punds fat body builder butthole who couldn't do crap after all buit submit and cry. Well anyway, I have to go to questoning tomorrow., so lawyers? I need your help. I klnow Ming is a layer so.. Please.. I saw my friend getting a beating and I only say like thuis huge guy beatingh him so I HAD TO degend him. I'm sorry I'm a nbit drunk right now because I started deinking because I'm in trouble AGAIN !!! I can't believe it!!!! AGAIN in trouble! I can olny say I defended my friend agains tbig fat beater. That's only thing I gotta say. Help me. Thjey claim I was the one attacking with too much pwer because the bouncer apparently broke sometihng I'm not sure.

	17-05-2003 04:20									#2
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	17-05-2003 04:24									#3
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I'm sorry I started drinknig because I'm iun trouble. The story is: I was sober and I was a driver for my nbuddies. They were coming out of a reastraurant. And I saw my friedn getting a beating from this big bouncer. I came oout of my car and yelled 'STOPT!* adn this guy kept hitting my firned! I attacked him right them because my firend is small and this was a huge bofdubuilder. I thought it was a fight, and I screamd STOP! STOP! STOP IT NOW! and he kept on wwailing on my friend, so I attacked him and kicked his ass, adn the cosp came and kicked my ass and I didn't see what was going on and hit one cop too at the same timee and the beat me qwith batons, I didn't know what was going on so I accidentally hit one cop hard too and he fell down and the guy who was beasting my friend turned out to be a bouncer. My friend was acting like a jerk so he was getting agbeating but I didn't know that, I felt like he was in trouble, he was a huge guy so I attacked him from behind and accidentally broke his hand, and accidentally hit a cop who came in the rumble too. I was in questioning and I'm in big trouble now. IO'm drunk as hell because i'm in trouble adn stadted drinking. Help meepleasee½ I was dewfedinf my friend!

	17-05-2003 04:34									#4
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Hmmm, I don't know man. Your criminal justice system is different than that of the United States. You might get in trouble for hitting a police officer (in fact, I'm sure you will)

I dont' think it's as bad as you think. You can give the reason that you were taking him home when the bouncer attacked you guys....but since you look sloshed and I can't understand, I don't know if thihs is what you're really saying.

Good luck and drink some water before you go to sleep, it'll help with the hangover.

	17-05-2003 04:36									#5
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Damn it. I know I make no sense. I try to type correctly now. I'm a bit drunk now.

OK!

So, I was sober. I was a driver for my buddies. I come to pickl them ujp from reastaraunt.
I see this HUGE guy HITTING my friedn! I was like WTF! HOLY MOTHER OF SOMEONE IMPORTANT! I honestly yelled STOP! I yelled like few times but he kept on wailing on my friend who is small. I felt like this is bad and I had to do something so I attack the beater of my friend and semi-accidentally brake something. So he turned out to be a bouncer. The cops were there, But I DIDN'T SEE THEM! They weren't helping my friedn! So at the fight, they come there and I thougfht it was a buddy of the huge body builder, he was at my back, trying to subbmit me and I immideatley know what he's trying to do and I slip from his 'hold' and hit him in the nose hard an dhe turns to be a coP! I was like FU**! and stop right there. Well I did hit him twice because I wasn't sure, adn then he batons me down. I hurt real bad, bllod from nose and mouth too. But I submit, he was a cop and I accidentally attacked him. He was gentle, he saw me submitting so he stopped early and did not beat me too bad. Questinoed me and let me go, I have to go there tomorrow. What can I do? I honestly thought my buddy was getting trashhed by some testosterone guy who didn't get any 'ace' from restarunt! But as it seems,. he broke something I'm not sure maybe I helped him or not. So I'm in huge trouible. lawyers here please help me!

	17-05-2003 04:39									#6
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Franky, thaks for your reply. I truly appreciate it man!
No, the real yrouble is because the bouncer got hurt. BUt I'm telling you! He was WAILING on my friend who is small! I didn't know he was a bouncer! And even if he wqas, he got what he deserved! Cops didn't seem to take it SO hard taht I accidentally hit a cop, I told them that it was an accident and I thought his friends were trying to get me too. The cop who got hit was fair, he said he didnt' warn me, so he was fair and square, didn't have any claims for me. I like him. He was a true man. But this bouncer guy.. what a big girl. Wailing on a small guy. So I aciidentaly hurt huim, or semi accidentally, anyway I'm in torulbe righ tnow.

	17-05-2003 04:41									#7
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Facts are: I didn't know it was a bouncer. I didn't know my friend was acting like a jerk and thus getting little treatment. I didn't know it was a cop taking my back. Results, bouncer getting hurt and cop getting hit. Cop didn't hurt himserlf. He just got a little bloody nose, but he forgave me right away and I ap9ologized him with me knees on the ground. He was fair.

	17-05-2003 04:46									#8
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Pekka, are you and your friend all right? I mean did either of you get hurt?

	17-05-2003 04:51									#9
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This is indeed big trouble.

First, in any of your encounters with the cops / the judges / the whatevers, be absolutely sure to be polite and civil. They must have the impression that you are a normal citizen who freaked out, and NOT some juvenile punk. What can really create trouble for you is the hit cop. If the cops don't like you, they'll make sure you are in major trouble.

Second, acknowledge in your mind that you have used excessive force against the bouncer, and honestly regret that you have attacked the policeman, even if it was an accident. If you give credit to their point of view, you'll be more flexible in your defense.

However, make sure not to tell your regrets to the bouncer/to the police before seeing a lawyer. You need one, because only a Finnish lawyer knows the Finnish system, and knows how much you risk, and how you can circumvene the risks. If the lawyer says it is OK to be openly regretful, you can issue your apologies to the cops and even to the bouncer directly.

But the big advice is : be cautious. Consult your lawyer. Don't picture yourself as fighting heroically the justice alone.

	17-05-2003 04:52									#10
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My friend is allright. He got little bruised because this BIG BUTTHOLE WAILED ON HIM! Yeah, a real man for sure! MY friend was pleading him to stop! I heard it myself, he's small too! Even I am smaller than the 'bouncer'.
I'm allright too, I got a little bloody nose and little bruised mouth after few baton hits, but they were fair so I'm not angrt about them. I'm in big troulbe though.

I don't know if you read about my earlier thread, but I'm made out to seem like I'm some kind of monster. Dude, first time I defended my property and second time my friend. But this is nto going away, I'm going to get charged fors ure, and convicted. I'm f_ing in trouble and I hate it. I don't feel like I was the bad guy, maybe I used little too much force. But anyway, I don't feel like I'm the evil guy here, I was only defending my buddy. so.. I don't know. F**k man.. I'm just.. I don't know whjat to say.. I'm just.. I don't know.. I feel like .. I don't know man.. Why me? Is it me? Why? WHY?!?!?!? I don't know guys.. I just don't know. Maybe it's me who is rotten. I just feel like I was the one defending, it wasn't like I was attacking this good guy!

	17-05-2003 04:55									#11
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Make sure you tell them that neither the cops nor the bouncer identified themselves. Second if your friend or you have any bruises or makrs from where the bouncer or the cop hit you then go to a doctor and have it looked at. Make sure the doctor writes done exactly how you look and maybe take a couple of pictures with a camera. This will be evidience that your friend and you were both harmed by the bouncer and/or the cops.

	17-05-2003 04:56									#12
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Spiffor, I was already in premilinary qustoning. I told I was very sorry for the whole thing, and the cops who arrested me didn't even tell I accidentrally hit one of them. At least I think so, they didn't bring it up. I told I was very super sorry eralier to him, adn he said it was OK. So questoning this cop tells me this 'bouncer' really hurt himself. Wel not really, bu tthat he broke something. I didn't confess about that, I only told that I got him off my friend. I did use a little controlled force, so maybe the weak bastard broke something in the way, but I didn't confessa bout that. The cops were there, so they saw me the whole way doing that. Surprsiihn that I was the one acting and the cops coming to get me off, and not the big fat f*er who was wailing on my friend. So the real trouble is that that stallone bouncer hurt himself.

	17-05-2003 04:58									#13
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Is it just a fine if you are convicted or is it worse? Also when do you get to speak to a lawyer?

	17-05-2003 05:03									#14
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well, if you appeared (to them) as being really apologetic, it wouldn't hurt your case. I'd listen to Spiffor cause it he knows his stuff.

The only thing that I can see that is going to hurt your case is your previous engagements with the police...

	17-05-2003 05:07									#15
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I don't want to be convicteed Oerdin! I get a record if I do! I want to come to America some day, and hacving a record is definitely a big NO NO! Otherwise, I don't care.

And the picture I got, hitting the cop is not the problem. It seems that he didn't say a word to that, or at least the ydidn't brin git up. The real problem is that the bouncer got hurt. Not seriously, but apparenlty he poked his hand some way and twisted it, I don't know how that happened.

	17-05-2003 05:11									#16
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But tomorrow I have to go police station. Liosten guys, I was there like some weeks ago handling the other stuff ( see thread 'so it finally happened part 2'). I'm being real honest to you. I think I'm not a bad person. I believe I might have used excess force MAYBE, but I wasn't the one who started it! But this surely makes me look bad.. I d on't know, but loks like I'm getting this to my record and if that is true, I can't fulfill my dreams

	17-05-2003 05:11									#17
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Erm, actually I don't know my stuff, as I never had any trouble with the police. My opinions come from what I deem to be common sense : the police has the power to sort the problem out or to create trouble ==> befriend with the police, and be like the kind of guys they like

	17-05-2003 05:16									#18
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Spiffor, Yeah,m I think I have neutral relatinship. Yes I hit a cop, twice. I wasn't looking his uniform at the time, I was afraid getting beaten myself. so the baton my a bit. But not too much, just few hits. I get the picture and they realize I don't want to fight them. So we all just stop. They feel for me a bit, so they don't bring it up in premilimary qwustoning even when the cop was having a little bleeding nose. He let it go I think. He was a fair man, and a good cop. Little older, so he knows his stuff and is not too eager. I apologized them sincerely and he felt I was honest I think. So that was it. Tha only problem is that that over trained mongolouid hurt himself because he was too flexible. So I'm in trouble. I CAN'T afford getting charged!

	17-05-2003 05:30									#19
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If you are to go to the police tomorrow, you should stop drinking for tonight, calm down, and go to sleep.
Now that I have seen your depiction of the scene, I think you are in much less trouble than you think. If the guy indeed broke his hand alone, this can be proven with a doctor, and this can only help you. Since the police is rather sympathetic towards you, they won't press charges for the heck of it, and everything can be sorted out.

Of course, you will have to see a lawyer to do this with highest efficiency and safety, but really, it appears you are in much less trouble that your first post let me think.

So calm down and go to bed. Tomorrow, be fit when you go to the police, and look for lawyers' offices, or even ask to the cops if they know of a free judicial advice center.

	17-05-2003 05:35									#20
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Spiffor, I don't know man.. Ok, maybe the bouncer did not twist his arm by himself, maybe I helped yhim a bit with it, but I'm not confessing it, because he was asking it, so to ,my belief of justice, he was hitting my friend who is small and not very strong and he deserved it. I'm not saying I did it, but I don't cout it out that I helped him with it.

And it's not super serious, it's not like I'm going to prison, buit if I get a record for thjis, it's hella hard for me to apply for green card or visa to thje US.

	17-05-2003 05:37									#21
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I mean crap, these thing gets me the image that I'mä sone kind of violent creep or monster. Guys, I don't know what to say. I just think it's importnat and vital to defend your friend. That's all I got to say.

	17-05-2003 05:40									#22
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I don't know guys.. I'm off to bed. Maybe I deserve everything that is coming for me from this. But I don't regret a thing. I'd do it again. See you tomorrow.

	17-05-2003 05:51									#23
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Good night Pekka. I hope things don't turn out to be so bad.

	17-05-2003 10:30									#24
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I don't know Oerdin.. I just woke up. I don't know why I was babbling about this day, I have to go there tomorrow. My head is killing me from drinking lots of booze and because it got little bashed.

edit: Ok how about a sober version? If you ask me, I don't regret a thing. I'm not sorry for anyone and I'd do it again. Well not if I knew cops where close by so they can handle it. So I was coming the get my buddies of this bar, and when I come to parking lot, I see little scuffle going on. I watch it a little and wonder what these people do and that they are drunk jerks. Well I see few familiar jackets and realize it's my buddies and one of them is in the hands of a big guy. Others don't do but they yell him to stop wrestling my friend who was getting a little beating. So I step out of the car and start running towards them and yell 'Stop!'. Well don't quote me, I did yell all kinds of foul language and insults but I got the 'stop' part there somewhere. I wondered why bouncers didn't stop it because this was happening in front of the bar. LIttle did I know at that point, so I continue charging and attack the guy. I know what I was doing, I just didn't go bezerk, but I wanted to use force too and not get beaten later by this huge house. So I maybe used too much force for sure if I'm honest, I eye-gauged him and he really did a fast job leaving my buddy alone.. I didn't really go for it, but enough to let him go. It's a dangerous move, so I don't recommend anyone doing it if they haven't got any experience and situation not being serious. Ok so I gauge him a bit, not too hard, he wasn't even yelling, then I proceed to choke him but I realize he's just too big and my hold bad so I trip him and he hits me and sticks his hand to do something, I don't know maybe he was doing Kung Pow or something. So I decided this is not over yet the guy is still trying something and getting up so I touch his hand and he maneuvers himself to akward position and hurts his hands while I'm unfortunately touching it. Right about now I feel someone grabbing my back and I'm in luck and manage to pull out and swing and 'oops' it was the police. I know I'm in huge trouble now and his partner shows me what good rubber is about but I go down and quit, so they don't even maze me. They weren't aiming to my face but as I dropped fast, I caught some. They ask me questions at their car and this is when I know the guy was a bouncer. So, this was the whole violent story. I feel like how can I get into these things for second time so fast if I'm a good guy? Maybe I'm not that good. Or then it's just coincidence and bad luck roll or something. This definitely gets me a record, no chance for anything else. There were wittnesses too, and the cops asked me if I've been learning Krav Maga because of the eye gauging techniques or anything simular, so it makes it even worse for me.

I want to clear my image here, I don't care what people think about me who saw me outside the bar, but I care what you think and really I'm not charging into every scuffle I see. This was the first time I was in real tough rumble, and second time I was using force. Second time I used too much force, I know, but still if you ask me, I think he was asking for it. I hope he didn't hurt himself too much (which he didn't for sure). Thank you for listening and sorry for my drunk posts, but I'm in b-i-g trouble and .. I don't know. I'm not who you think I am, I'm gentle and a nice guy, I smile all the time and be nice to people. Only time I get angry is when I see violators and aggressors. Lots of people viewing this thread but not answering.... I guess I know why.. Please don't hate me. I guess it's useless to repeat that I'm not violent guy and I'm safe to people, very safe, but.. Oh well. But please don't start hating me because of this.

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	17-05-2003 11:37									#25
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Come on! Don't give up on me..

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	17-05-2003 11:38									#26
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Awh this is just pathetic. I'm going to eat something. I regret posting this whole thread.

edit: Ok whatever I'm not going to beg for it. It's fine, I understand most of you can not understand this. There's nothing to really understand I guess. You don't have to like me, it's fine. I just call them as I see them. You can judge me, but it won't change anything that happened. And for the record, I do not regret.

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	17-05-2003 14:23									#27
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Good luck mate. In the UK most bouncers are drugdealing criminals anyway, so it is possible the police and/or prosecution don't mind that much anyway.

Anyway from what I have heard from Finnish friends, nights out in Finland almost always end up in a fight, and if they were to prosecute and convict every single one most people would get a record

Hope things turn out well.

	17-05-2003 14:31									#28
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I don't know.. my luck has changed a bit though, I talked to my buddy and he heard bouncers talk and he heard that his shoulder got dislocated, not broken. As I said, I didn't brake it, if it was broken, I surely didn't do it with intention of it, but maybe helped a bit. I twisted it, but so that it only hurts like hell and not brake, I thought it was impossible to brake it from there, but like I said, he turned a bit and then something happened. So I wasn't ducking 'I really broke it, but I don't confess'. Because I didn't. I made sure it wouldn't. I wasn't on crazy state of mind. I was almost calm all the time. But I'm little glad that looks like nobody got injured except one dislocated shoulder (well I did twist hard), but he deserved it by all means.. I'm still glad if he's ok.

Also my buddy heard that the bouncer had significant troubles finding his 'bouncer license', that gives you the right to do that job. He didn't find it at all there, and might be that he doesn't have it at all, and that would make him offender and mine just a minor case. I hope it's so.

	17-05-2003 14:32									#29
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When is your meeting with the police ?

And don't regret posting this thread. This place is great to express one's problems (it does always good) without having to fear to be hated or something, because we are all unknown people from the Internet.
Posting this thread was a good move

	17-05-2003 14:37									#30
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Tomorrow. I feel dirty that I have to go there again. 'I'm not the bad guy', but isn't that what all the bad guys say?

Yeah, but it's not a good idea to get drunk and start posting about something like this .

But like lightblue mentioned, even if our country and streets are safe, he is very correct on the aggression that is every day there. It's bigger than in most countries. It's very violent out there. You can't hide from it here.