17-05-2003 09:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove No I'm not. Children aren't sinful, they're potential. Quit picking on the kids, they can't choose the circumstances of their lives.

The children themselves aren't sinful, but children CAN be concieved in sin.

Example: Prositution producing a baby.

	17-05-2003 09:32									#32
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I love fishing, but I AM NOT A FISHERMAN!!!

I just love a Johnboat a rod and some bobbers...a trolling motor and some fried chicken and sweet tea and my dollbaby wife..

now thats peaceful!

Peace

Grandpa Troll

	17-05-2003 09:50									#33
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Anything pleasurable is a good thing. If a person is truly happy he/she can only do good. All "sin" (which by my definition is an act harmful to the individual or those around him) comes from unhappiness, discomfort and fear. Stealing a car or solicting an underage prostitute may give you a rush but it's not pleasure.

- Narz

	17-05-2003 09:55									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Narz Anything pleasurable is a good thing. If a person is truly happy he/she can only do good. All "sin" (which by my definition is an act harmful to the individual or those around him) comes from unhappiness, discomfort and fear. Stealing a car or solicting an underage prostitute may give you a rush but it's not pleasure. - Narz

Thats not even close to being true Narz, as i did recieve some pleasure from Drugs and drinking. I slept with married women. I got pleasure. I am not boasting..just staing that sin can and often is pleasurable..like a wrapping paper around a "gift"..but once the wrapping is off..then you see what indeed you get yourself into.

If a Bank robber killsa an innocent person takes down 1/2 million dollars, uses drugs, coerces someone into the same mode of entertainment, they both recieve "pleasure"..then how can this be considered "Not Sinful"??


Peace

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	17-05-2003 09:57									#35
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How the **** is alcohol a sin!?

heres to alcohol , from one sinner who has fallen short of the glory of God.

	17-05-2003 10:11									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Thats not even close to being true Narz, as i did recieve some pleasure from Drugs and drinking. I slept with married women. I got pleasure. I am not boasting..just staing that sin can and often is pleasurable..like a wrapping paper around a "gift"..but once the wrapping is off..then you see what indeed you get yourself into. If a Bank robber killsa an innocent person takes down 1/2 million dollars, uses drugs, coerces someone into the same mode of entertainment, they both recieve "pleasure"..then how can this be considered "Not Sinful"?? Peace Grandpa Troll

Is this bank robber you speak of really happy or just trying to escape?

If you recieved so much pleasure from your "sinful ways", why did you stop?

	17-05-2003 10:12									#37
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To me, drugs & alcohol seem more about escaping pain (or reality which one might view as pain) than becoming fulfilled.

	17-05-2003 10:13									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Narz Is this bank robber you speak of really happy or just trying to escape? If you recieved so much pleasure from your "sinful ways", why did you stop?

I stopped because Jesus Christ showed me the err of my ways...and yes I did recieve pleasure..sinful pleasure.

It was wrong then and wrong now.

I just didnt see it as wrong at the time...my bad


Peace

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	17-05-2003 10:15									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Narz To me, drugs & alcohol seem more about escaping pain (or reality which one might view as pain) than becoming fulfilled.

I agree with you..but they bring a false sense of euphoria....

Sad but true...they are like the great Jet Airliners..get on get high get off...and miss the trip of life....


Peace

Grandpa Troll

	17-05-2003 10:18									#40
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childrens commit sinful behaviors and are more capable of doing so.

If anything, they are more primal in nature. And that leads them to do sinful deeds without having so called "higher concious" telling them not to.

	17-05-2003 10:22									#41
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As for children conceived with sins:

Christianity claims we are all conceived with sins. so everyone is a sinner as soon as they are born.

	17-05-2003 10:59									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Zero As for children conceived with sins: Christianity claims we are all conceived with sins. so everyone is a sinner as soon as they are born.

Right, according to Christianity we are all sinners, we cannot be perfect no matter what, only Jesus was perfect. When we follow our natures we are sinful, when were are good it's only because of God that we can be good. Enough to drive one to drink!

Good thing I don't believe in that stuff.

	17-05-2003 11:02									#43
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mrt, where i'm from, the gooks that run the store are of that Korie breed.


btw, speer: i wasn't serious. i found it amusing, actually.
a lot of biting comments i make don't have the requisite wink...
which is why i got restricted once.

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	17-05-2003 11:11									#44
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excellent

	17-05-2003 12:27									#45
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If God didn't want us to sin, he wouldn't have made it so much fun.

	17-05-2003 13:03									#46
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quote: Sometimes I don't see why anyone would want to have sex, do drugs, or drink, what with the immense beauty of the sober life.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

	17-05-2003 13:11									#47
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"If God didn't want us to sin, he wouldn't have made it so much fun."

	17-05-2003 14:09									#48
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Well I don't prescribe to the whole sin idea, I just avoid hurting others with my actions.

As for pure bliss, nothing beats the last 500 metres of a 2.6k rowing race, when you are completely ****ed and then take it up a gear or two to the finish, after which you can collapse. Endorphin rush is better than any drug.

After that go out, get drunk, pull some cute girl... Oops Guess I better be quiet now...

	17-05-2003 16:12									#49
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue As for pure bliss, nothing beats the last 500 metres of a 2.6k rowing race, when you are completely ****ed and then take it up a gear or two to the finish, after which you can collapse. Endorphin rush is better than any drug.

Replay the situation, but with a nubile young lady positioned between your thighs snorting "Colombian marching powder" off your John Thomas.

	17-05-2003 19:58									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Replay the situation, but with a nubile young lady positioned between your thighs snorting "Colombian marching powder" off your John Thomas.

That's later in the night

	17-05-2003 20:03									#52
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BTW Albert Speer, you said you were were a violent person. Guess what- attacking people is a sin too.

	17-05-2003 20:08									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed dude, get your slurs correct. it's been my experience a lot of the groceries are owned by gooks, not chinks, nor japs.

Vietnameses? No way, Koreans. Now how do you slur them?

	17-05-2003 20:12									#54
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Since "sins" are actions against the will of the Judeo-Christianity god, whom should be rejected with the rest of neolithic supersititions, therefore there is nothing such as a sin.

	17-05-2003 20:17									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Japher How do I become one of those without all the religious crap?

I drank heavily for 5 years dealing with some headspace issues. I'm not religious either, but consider sobriety an "investment" in myself and my physical and mental well-being. I still walk by the coolers at the cornerstore with serious cravings for a 12-pack, but then I look at those colorful bottles and packs lining the shelf and ask myself, 'who's stronger?'


Treat yourself well, tell yourself you're allowed to be human, and don't be afraid to try alternatives to AA that are out there.

	21-05-2003 00:55									#56
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quote: How do I become one of those without all the religious crap?

Japher:

Why do you see religion as an addiction? Troll's offering you a way out, what worked for him. You can either take his hand or say no thanks, but either way you should thank him for offering.

quote: Enough to drive one to drink!

Narz:

It's not always easy, but we do get the means and the support to fix up our broken lives. I've had much joy since I've been a Christian, so many good people have helped me in ways I can't even start to thank them all.

Back on topic,

There is nothing better than the feeling you get after hiking up a steep cliff when you look out across the water and the city of Vancouver. Also, at night, when the sun sets and you can see the city lights shine over the water, something well worth waiting the day to see.

Making yourself a chocolate milkshake after a long day, or even immersing oneself in a good book. So easy to kill a weekend that way.

	21-05-2003 00:58									#57
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quote: Japher: Why do you see religion as an addiction? Troll's offering you a way out, what worked for him. You can either take his hand or say no thanks, but either way you should thank him for offering.

Yeah, Thanks for the advice Troll, maybe one day my addictions will lead me to religion... maybe not. Just for the record I don't think religion is full of crap.

	21-05-2003 00:59									#58
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I quite enjoy the sin, thank-you-very-much.

*dances around a false idol*

	21-05-2003 01:02									#59
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Option 1- Get minged, get drunk, get into one of those really pointless drunken fights that just consist of loads of shoving and shouting, and top the evening off with a knee-trembler in a betting shop doorway with someone you'll forget before she's halfway through her kebab.

Option 2- Read a book.

Where do you want to go tonight?

	21-05-2003 01:22									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi How the **** is alcohol a sin!? heres to alcohol , from one sinner who has fallen short of the glory of God.

Sex is sinful - and is only permitted in marriage if youre consciously trying to conceive a child without lustful thoughts - thats St. Augustine, i beleive.

Alcohol is sinful - Islam, and fundamentalist Protestantism.


This threads view of religion is terribly skewed towards western christianity(usually in its protestant form) and Islam.

There are some religions where marital sex is not only not sinful, but is a good thing, even when not conceiving a child - and where use of alcohol is permitted - in moderation and with appropriate blessings very much an acceptable pleasure.