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Originally posted by notyoueither
Maybe it only takes twice. They rolled over like a good ***** the third time. Hmmm... |
They must have liked it!
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LoneWolf
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Exactly, NYE- "You mean THEY have the right to object, too? Sacre bleu!"
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Jul 2002
time: 22:28
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i can't believe so many people subscribe to this anti-French rubbish |
Ditto.
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LoneWolf
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You can't believe that people recognize that the French are our rivals? Even though Devillepin has said as much himself? Odd.
They have every right to be, BTW.
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Nope, what seems to baffle the French is that anti-french jingoism is running rampant even in the better US news media, and that it is fed by rumours and propaganda lies from Washington. That's somewhat new.
Just bad luck for the French government that the french media won't play along. At least not yet.
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LoneWolf
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Jeez, NYE, we have had some run-ins, but I guess we have more in common than I thought. Salute!
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LoneWolf
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Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things?
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My God, so much talk about something that will ultimately come to nothing in the end. Keep on ranting and eating your freedom fries, it will all add to the fun of pointing and laughing at you when nobodys talking about evil France anymore.
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LoneWolf
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gsm, you think France is "evil"? I don't, I just recognize that they have interests and ambitions which diverge from ours. Should we not frankly aknowledege that fact, and act accordingly?
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gsmoove23
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LoneWolf, who doesn't. We always act accordingly by serving our own interests, even if they diverge from the interests of our allies.
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by LoneWolf
Honestly, Hersh, have you read Le Monde? How can you say such silly things? |
I read Le Monde occasionally. Where do you see anything that compares?
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LoneWolf
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Originally posted by gsmoove23
LoneWolf, who doesn't. We always act accordingly by serving our own interests, even if they diverge from the interests of our allies. |
Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be?
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does France really care about a paper in the midst of turning itself into a complete joke on the level of the New York Post? |
No, unless it is a symptom of a broader problem. And rampant anti-europeanism has always been there, it just got worse. I loved it when a US news networks opened a report about Waldheim with a map of Austria in brown and a Swastika over it. Goebbbels would be proud of them.
As for Safire: editorials are not news, fine, but why should they be completely detached from reality, rather than giving an opinion on facts?
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HershOstropoler
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Originally posted by GP
WAAAAAAAAH!!!!
**** em. If our rough language hurts them, they can do something back. Like um say bad stuff or something. |
Funny you say that, as the Americans are much worse sissys than the French in this little exchange.
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gsmoove23
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Originally posted by LoneWolf
Bingo. So why is pointing out that they cannot be relied upon to support us, and in fact view themselves to be another "pole" for anti-American attitudes to rally around, "France-bashing rubbish"?
And why, then, should we not treat the French as the adversaries they have chosen to be? |
I don't care. Do whatever you like, rant as much as you like, in the end it will make little difference in French-US relations. I just find it funny that so many posters here are willing to go along with the fad of French bashing with such serious comments.
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LoneWolf
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Hersh: Hard to argue in the abstract, but I get the impression that it is Safire's opinions, not his facts, that bother you so.
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Safire as such doesn't bother me, the least his opinions. The guy writes quite well, but when he makes up supposed statements of german ministers, hallucinates about friendship between Chirac and Saddam and stuff like that, it's just totally silly. He should write that in the funny farm, not in a newspaper.
It's also quite odd to me. While there is no sharp destinction between news and opinion in european papers (exception UK tabloids - and in the US, it's mostly a fiction anyway), there hardly is the kind of editorial that's totally fictional.
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LoneWolf
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As for the connection between Chirac and Saddam, there was something written on this subject which was quite damning (not by Safire, but I don't recall who), so this is not a "hallucination".
And Hersh, your anti-Americanism oozes from every pore (for example-"in the US, mostly a fiction ,anyway"), so your views on this issue are not really all that compelling.
Last edited by LoneWolf on 17-05-2003 at 12:12
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17-05-2003 11:14
I started to say that. 
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