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flying too low to the ground
May 2001
time: 00:28
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we have at least 15 turns before we can declare war on the ottomons again.
as far as i'm concerned, thats who we're hitting again. their land is good, it's close, it's a natural extension of our own.
The archer rush time is dwindling, but it's still our best bet, as the zulu took our ponies, and the ottomons are going to get our iron.
we need to hit hard, as soon as possible, while still defending our homeland.
i would request 6 archers and 2 spearmen, initially. with that, we could move out and take Edrine, and then we could push towards Istanbul or Uskudar.
it's likely some archers will fall in our attacks, so i'd request refresher units to start moving in right after the initial army has started marching (hopefully, 2-4 more archers and a spear). that should be more than enough to seriously injure the ottomans, leaving us the options to exploit them, or eradicate.
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Kloreep
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:28
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Updated to try to fit Uber's Archer requests. Note that the Otto peace treaty expires in 10 turns, so we could technically attack that soon, though I'd say 15-20 is the feasible timeline. Note that we'll have a garrison shortage if the troops leave within 10 turns or so (that's when they LEAVE our territory, not when they ARRIVE at the Ottoman border, so they could be sent that soon). Asgard will produce an extra warrior that can help garrison, but we may end up using the Lux slider in short bursts till some more warriors or other garrsion can be produced; that could be alleviated if Asgard turns its 3rd pop into a specialist to do our 40-turn researcd, which actually might not be a bad idea, much as I hate specialists; otherwise, we'd have both 10% science and 10% lux, and that could be a noticable drain on income.
At any rate, we'd have four more archers in 9 turns with this plan (not counting time to move those four archers into a stack). Combined with the Elite archer in Warrior's Luck, that would be 5 of Uber's requested 6 archers. Asgard could produce a 6th archer in 12 turns (3 turns after the 5th Archer) if need be, though that would slow down its growth (forest). It all depends on when we want to attack; the farther in the future, the more time we have to establish a home garrison, and the more juicy cities the Ottos will establish, but the Ottos will also build up more military.
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:28
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Just had a closer look... as of the save (1700BC = turn 53), there are 10 turns before the peace treaty terms end. In this time we will have 5 Archers, going by the above plan. All of these Archers can be in Warrior's Luck or one tile closer to the Ottomans at the end of turn 63, or 4 of them can be there BY turn 63. This outs aside the matter of Spears to defend.
With this in mind, it is possible to ignore any reneg on turn 63 and have troops in place to defend (or attack from) Warrior's Luck as soon as the war is on.
There are two flaws I see to this plan - one more serious than the other. We have no defenders there, so unless we arrange them somehow, we may get unlucky at times if they have a larger stack than our own. More risky is the fact that we don't know all of the Ottos land, so they may have Horses, which would make large Norse steaks out of our Archers. Of course the Horses issue applies whenever we attack.
So, is it acceptable in ten turns time to have this many Archers around to protect ourselves and maybe take Edrine without Spears and with the risk of facing Horses? If not then we either have to hope the reneg doesn't happen and we can choose when to attack, weather the war until we ARE ready to attack, or reneg and cope with the bars snapping closed on our Archer-rush window.
In any case, I suggest we move the Archers to Warrior's Luck ASAP anyway, so we can prepare for our war with the Ottos.
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realpolitic
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Rogue States of America
Mar 2002
time: 21:28
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5 archers is not enough for war.If we don't build new barracks we'll have 8(4 or 5 regulars),if we take an extra city worth them it will be well worth the wait on barracks. The truth is we don't know what we'll be attacking: warriors, archers or 1/3 spearmen. Regular archers do fine against these.
Last edited by realpolitic on 21-05-2003 at 03:50
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Kloreep
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:28
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quote:
Originally posted by panag
great chart kloreep  |
Thanks.
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Originally posted by panag
 , ..... a barracks would be nice , .... |
Err... have you looked at the save recently? Asgard and Trondheim both have one (plus Bergen and Warrior's Luck after the recent turnchat), and our major cities are building them first thing after founding now.
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Originally posted by panag
archers , okay , but the are an offensive unit , .... what to do about defense , ..... |
We're definitely skimping on spears right now. That's because Uber requested 6 archers for the first stack, and the Ottoman peace treaty is coming up for renegotiation soon, so we can attack basically at our leisure (unless the Ottos want to renegotiate the peace treaty for some reason, in which case we'll have to attack early, even earlier than we'll want). Once we have 6 or 7 Archers produced, there'll be some more spears, don't worry. 
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Kloreep
Thanks.
Err... have you looked at the save recently? Asgard and Trondheim both have one (plus Bergen and Warrior's Luck after the recent turnchat), and our major cities are building them first thing after founding now.
We're definitely skimping on spears right now. That's because Uber requested 6 archers for the first stack, and the Ottoman peace treaty is coming up for renegotiation soon, so we can attack basically at our leisure (unless the Ottos want to renegotiate the peace treaty for some reason, in which case we'll have to attack early, even earlier than we'll want). Once we have 6 or 7 Archers produced, there'll be some more spears, don't worry. |
hi ,
, we should put a couple spears with them archers , before they are going into combat , .... imagine we get war declared by an other civ , .....
two archers , one spear , two archers , one spear we should build like that , ....
have a nice day
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OneEyedYoda
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Somewhere out there...
May 2003
time: 21:28
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just a suggestion....is it possible mount a diversion that would lure the computer's forces to another city before we strike our first target?
...such as threatening one of their newer cities with a unit or two and hope they respond??
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Kloreep
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of the pillow
Jun 2002
time: 00:28
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quote:
Originally posted by panag
, we should put a couple spears with them archers , before they are going into combat , .... imagine we get war declared by an other civ , .....
two archers , one spear , two archers , one spear we should build like that , .... |
We already have 3 spears, and so I felt we should go pure Archer for this chat. As I said, there should be some spears in the next set of turns.
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Originally posted by OneEyedYoda
just a suggestion....is it possible mount a diversion that would lure the computer's forces to another city before we strike our first target?
...such as threatening one of their newer cities with a unit or two and hope they respond?? |
Might work if it was several turns before the main force. However, I'm not sure we'd want to start the war early for a ruse like that; the sooner we do, the sooner the AI switches to military production and starts poprushing. But this is the SMC's field, not mine; I'm not a very good general.
Last edited by Kloreep on 22-05-2003 at 04:22
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:28
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Originally posted by realpolitic
I agree on the diversion, my vote is 2 archers if we can put 6-8 on the main attack, but a pincer movement? By that do you mean we split our forces on 2 cities, and have the survivors of the two attacks go after a major city? We don't have the troops. There's nothing wrong with giving them a black eye, then 20 turns later having a major war. We have 300-400 turns left. |
hi ,
pincer is one solution , going two ways can also create some havock , the AI does count a classical military move , just go around and knock on the backdoor , ....
those two archers should have a spear with them , why , well to hold grounds as long as possible , .....
have a nice day
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OneEyedYoda
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Somewhere out there...
May 2003
time: 21:28
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well, the diversion doesn't really have to hold ground for very long. If it does succeed in drawing enemy units away from our real target, or if the comp simply ignores them and heads for our cities, they can run back to our cities as garrisons.
Or perhaps we can even send an archer or two early to their cities in the back (and hold them in position outside the border while our main force assembles before declaring war) to either distract or cut roads, etc...
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:28
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quote:
Originally posted by OneEyedYoda
well, the diversion doesn't really have to hold ground for very long. If it does succeed in drawing enemy units away from our real target, or if the comp simply ignores them and heads for our cities, they can run back to our cities as garrisons.
Or perhaps we can even send an archer or two early to their cities in the back (and hold them in position outside the border while our main force assembles before declaring war) to either distract or cut roads, etc... |
hi ,
normally the AI goes for a diversion , he has to react , .....
on deity the ai send for example 20 troops to get rid of one simple foot unit , .....
why , because the AI tend to get all its units at a couple places when in war and use them at only a couple places , .....
this results in a great force at the battlefield , but the cities behind are often guarded by draftees or a couple units , ...... a deadly mistake in anyone who takes this to his or her advantage , ....
have a nice day
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18-05-2003 02:13
At least I still seem to have some time, since the next chat isn't scheduled. But here's something in the meantime.
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