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mothers day card 20 years from now, with the current trend society is taking:
*concentreates*
To My Dearest Mother
I am Glad I was Convenient
Thank you for not Aborting me
-Mostly ambiguous to you *yournamehere*
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Vesayen
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quote:
Originally posted by orange
would you prefer it be done in back alleys by maniacs with coat hangers and steak knives? |
I find it hard to feel sympathy for someone who dies as they try to commit a murder......
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Lorizael
You didn't answer the question, Vesayen. If a person wants something, they will do whatever it takes to get it. Just look at Prohibition. Making things illegal just makes it all the worse when it does happen. |
The only case it is acceptable is when the mothers life is known to be in danger(less then 1% of all abortions in America)....
Your making the assumption I would think it is bad if someone dies-regardless of the reasoning.
Bad assumption.
If someone dies because they want to kill their baby with a coathanger, anything that they get is well deserved(Think of it as Karma)-if nothing else it will be a reason to have sex responsably.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:28
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quote:
Originally posted by Vesayen
To My Dearest Mother
I am Glad I was Convenient
Thank you for not Aborting me
-Mostly ambiguous to you *yournamehere* |
Actually, this is not a million miles away from what I do feel about my parents. I am thankful that they chose to have me, to raise and care for me, and to take a large chunk of their life to devote to me. I thank them for choosing to have me. I am thankful because it is such a huge sacrifice, and I do not feel that they had any duty or obligation to give up that sacrifice. It was their choice to make, and I am thankful that they made that one. I owe my life to their choices, to conceive me, to care for me, etc. and the fact they had another one, whether or not to abort me, does not seem that significant to me. The reason I am pro-choice, is because I do not see a difference between choosing not to conceive, and choosing to have an abortion. Either way, a child is not born, that could have been. Also, I see abortion not just as the killing of an unborn child, but I see it as the mother choosing to remove her services. I think that is the womens right. I don't think my parents ever had an obligation to care for me, before or after I was born. That is why I am thankful that they did.
Is it so bad to be convenient? Are not planned children planned to be convenient, at convenient times in their parents lives?
Last edited by Drogue on 18-05-2003 at 06:03
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Lincoln
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Originally posted by orange
would you prefer it be done in back alleys by maniacs with coat hangers and steak knives? |
No, it should be done in sterile clinics by educated opportunists with no ethics. How does the fact that it is now done by doctors using medical instruments make it right?
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:28
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its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway.
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quote:
Originally posted by MRT144
its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway. |
If a teen cant keep their pants on, any harm that comes to them is entirley their fault...... I turn 18 in a few weeks-im saving it for marriage-if I can, so can they.
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Aug 2001
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Originally posted by Vesayen
If a teen cant keep their pants on, any harm that comes to them is entirley their fault...... I turn 18 in a few weeks-im saving it for marriage-if I can, so can they. |
No problem.
So, now that the teens are forced to carry to term a baby that they don't want, they can become terrific mothers, right? I mean, they wouldn't possibly resent the child, would they?
Or they can just give them all up for adoption. Just look at how much room our orphanages and foster homes have today...why, I'm sure another million kids a year added to it won't be any problem!
You don't mind paying for those kids, do you? Because I know conservatives tend to be against social welfare, which would include the necessary institutions to care for these kids. You do think the government can adequately raise these kids until they are 18, right? I mean, foster kids would never turn out to be criminals or anything, would they?
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Lincoln
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Originally posted by MRT144
its the lesser of two evils lincoln. its like telling teens not to have sex. you might as well provide them with some jimmy sacks if they are gonna do it anyway. |
Well at least you see it as evil. That is a good start.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:28
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Vesayen, why do you hold teens responsible for actions that will ruin their life, and the childs life, when it doesnt have to be that way.
I completely agree with boris.
if i had my way, after your first abortion you are put on birth control immediatley, after your second, youre sterilized.
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Lincoln
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Actually Boris there are many thousands of people waiting to adopt children. There is not a lack of willing parents who could raise an unwanted child. Anyway, surely killing the kid should not be an option, or should it? I saw a talk show on TV once where a father was pleading for his girlfriend not to abort their baby. He was roundly condemned by the audience for being so selfish in not wanting to kill the child before he had a chance to live with a mother who did not want him. I think that logic is rather twisted.
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MRT144
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Seattle Washington
Oct 2002
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Lincoln
Well at least you see it as evil. That is a good start. |
i dont think anyone goes around advocating abortion as the only end to a pregnancy. i think its universal that people dont like abortion, but sometimes it is the best option for the people involved.
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"So, now that the teens are forced to carry to term a baby that they don't want, they can become terrific mothers, right? I mean, they wouldn't possibly resent the child, would they?"
Then they shouldnt of had sex-or should of used better protection. Responsibilities for your actions? I know-its a foreign concept in our society.
"Or they can just give them all up for adoption. Just look at how much room our orphanages and foster homes have today...why, I'm sure another million kids a year added to it won't be any problem!"
Would you rather be in a foster hoom, or not born? You know the answer to that.
"You don't mind paying for those kids, do you? Because I know conservatives tend to be against social welfare, which would include the necessary institutions to care for these kids. You do think the government can adequately raise these kids until they are 18, right? I mean, foster kids would never turn out to be criminals or anything, would they?"
Your drawing other-wordly conclusions..... people make it sound like our countries adoption/foster care system is the seventh level of the thirteenth pit of hell...... most people come out of them fine...... Im not a liberal or conserative btw, I have views of both sides(and wish both the Republicans and the Democrats would fall into the sea).
"Vesayen, why do you hold teens responsible for actions that will ruin their life, and the childs life, when it doesnt have to be that way."
The child's life isnt neccesarily ruined...... and who are you to decide whether someones life is "worth living" or not? There is a TREMENDOUS amount of information given to most teens in America now a days about sex and the responsabilities..... if they choose to ignore that information and risk it-thinking that it only happens to "other people" that is their risk-if you play russian roulet dont complain when you get the bullet....
"if i had my way, after your first abortion you are put on birth control immediatley, after your second, youre sterilized"
In stay of a ban on abortion, I'd agree for that also.
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Cruddy
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Personally, I never comment on abortion.
Why?
Because I'm a bloke. It's none of my business.
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Vesayen
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quote:
Originally posted by Drogue
Sure, that's your choice. Some teenagers cannot control their urges that well, and many do not want to wait that long. Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should. What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy? |
If you dont have self control, your an animal, and deserve to be treated as one......
"Just because you can, and have chosen to, doesn't mean that should"
Your trying to say that it is entirley my choice, therefore it is wrong to empose that choice on others-showing I am somehow morraly incorect, thus my viewpoint is...... the problem with that line of reasoning is that you entirley forgot the fact that the result of that iresponsability may en up with a murder(abortion), which is one HECK of an imposment on another pe rson-so your wrong.
"What about those who don't believe in Marriage, or those who never find the right person? Should they be condemned to a life of celebacy?"
They should be DAMN sure to use the pill regularly.
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