18-05-2003 23:35									#1
	Why I still would like to see American nation Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

This is my only complaint about RoN so far. I mean it is an excellent game period. The thing is I would like to have seen America included. This is how it always was in civilization series and other games such as EE. One reason is because it will allow many historial and modern scenarios to be designed. For example, if I want to design a WW2 scenario, I want USA to be a country in it. Or if I want to create a modern day gulf war scenario, I want USA to be in it as well. So for scenario design I feel it is important to have them. Alot of the units look like USA military anyway, such as missile cruiser (Ticonderoga class) or stealth bomber (B-2 Spirit). I think BHG should seriously consider adding USA maybe in an expansion at least. Maybe the USA was not around way back in that time but this game covers all the way to information age. Anyway, like I said, no matter what RoN is still an excellent game thats fact.

	19-05-2003 01:13									#2
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I think the game may be sufficiently moddable to allow you to add your own nations for scenarios.

I fully expect to see some really excellent WWII mods that make full use of the nice-looking scripting language that comes with the game.

	19-05-2003 04:40									#3
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^^what he said^^

Plus, how exactly would america work? They pop into the game around enlightenment age? The american player waits around for 4 ages before he gets to play?

Your reasoning (scenario purposes) is one of the best i've seen so far, but I still don't see how they could be implemented.

	19-05-2003 05:37									#4
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all through the unit xml files are "american this" "american that"

are they talking about indians or americans? I dunno, I haven't really played the game in depth yet

	19-05-2003 05:57									#5
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The American files refer to the native americans, as far as I can see

	19-05-2003 10:09									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Bridger ^^what he said^^ Plus, how exactly would america work? They pop into the game around enlightenment age? The american player waits around for 4 ages before he gets to play? Your reasoning (scenario purposes) is one of the best i've seen so far, but I still don't see how they could be implemented.

They can be implemented just like every other nation is. Why have them wait until enlightenment? Just because realistically they were not around at the earlier times? It is a game and I am sure many would love the welcoming addition of America. Think about the civilization series, America is right there way back in the BC times. No one ever complained about them being in the game thats for sure. America is there in EE way back in prehistoric ages. I never once heard anyone say "Why is America in CIV series when they were not around back in the early time periods.?" So what if they were not around back then, they are now and RoN covers the modern eras too.

	19-05-2003 10:21									#7
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quote: Originally posted by GodSpawn I fully expect to see some really excellent WWII mods that make full use of the nice-looking scripting language that comes with the game.

Yes sir!

	19-05-2003 10:35									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Bridger ^^what he said^^ Plus, how exactly would america work? They pop into the game around enlightenment age? The american player waits around for 4 ages before he gets to play?

Germany doesn't pop in at the late industrial age, why would the US? It would be a historical fudge - just like US in Civ.

	19-05-2003 11:08									#9
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quote: Originally posted by PrinceBimz I never once heard anyone say "Why is America in CIV series when they were not around back in the early time periods.?"

Clearly you don't read the Civ forums!

	19-05-2003 13:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by The Templar Germany doesn't pop in at the late industrial age, why would the US? It would be a historical fudge - just like US in Civ.

aye? why would germany pop up then? infact why would the US

just reread that missed the very important doesn't

	19-05-2003 17:01									#11
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The entire continent of North America, as well as Germany, both rose from the sea during a catacylsmic volcano and earthquake near the start of the Enlightenment Era. Don't believe what they teach you in school about Columbus, or about Germanic barbarians sacking Rome. Didn't happen.

	19-05-2003 18:22									#12
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Columbus didn't discover America anyway, it was the Vikings who did that I believe

	19-05-2003 18:28									#13
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niceone albie

i supose that with america u could start out with the indians and move onto columbas and co when they pop up

from teepees 2 muskets would b quite a shift

anyhow in the expantion i would say

	19-05-2003 18:33									#14
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Yeah, I liked that game. Colonization was awesome. I wish they would make a sequel.

	19-05-2003 22:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lo Rez aye? why would germany pop up then? infact why would the US just reread that missed the very important doesn't

Germany, as a nation, is actually younger than the US. This process occurs in the late industrial age with Bismarck (real history - not the game).

albiedamned, had you asked those ransackers who they were, they would not have said 'Germans' they would have called themselves Vandals, Visigoths, Ostrogoths, etc. What's the old Bertrand Russell joke? The Holy Roman Empire was neither 'holy' nor 'Roman' nor an 'Empire'.
As for North American rising out of the sea during the age of enlightenment, I assume we are talking about adding the US to RoN, wise-guy. I know, I know, USers sometimes forget that 'American' refers to 2 continents worth of stuff ...

	19-05-2003 22:07									#16
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Never group me with the rest of the ignorant Americans!

	20-05-2003 03:02									#17
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I have to agree, being from the US the same place as Microsoft (the publisher) may I add, but the US Should be in the Game, im sure everyone has heard of Native Americans, They would be really cool to be in the game, TPs and all for city graphics then it would transform into wooden cabins and all as Colonial America, it would be awesome. I hope they consider Adding in America in an Expansion, Such as it is is very Anti American not to include our Nation.

	20-05-2003 04:55									#18
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quote: Such as it is is very Anti American not to include our Nation.

How is omission anti anything? If I said I didn't support the conflict with Iraq, would I be anti-American?

Anyhoo, just trying to say that's a fine line to cross there.

	20-05-2003 05:33									#19
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Not to get off topic here but not supporting the conflict with iraq is opinion but not supporting the Troops dying there is Anti American but this topic is not about that, Its about saying America should Definatly be in the Game. The Statute of Liberty is in so are Stealth Bombers and a ton of other American Tech, if they dont want America in stop stealing our Technology for other countries. Its a Slap in the face. "We'll take your Technology and units but we wont include your country."

	20-05-2003 05:50									#20
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Isn't the Statue of Liberty from France?

But you got me with the units.

BTW, I would also like to see U.S. in the game, and was very suprised to see them not included.

	20-05-2003 08:26									#21
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quote: Originally posted by LordRikerQ Not to get off topic here but not supporting the conflict with iraq is opinion but not supporting the Troops dying there is Anti American but this topic is not about that, Its about saying America should Definatly be in the Game. The Statute of Liberty is in so are Stealth Bombers and a ton of other American Tech, if they dont want America in stop stealing our Technology for other countries. Its a Slap in the face. "We'll take your Technology and units but we wont include your country."

Yes, thats what I was saying above. They have many US techs and units so they just as well include them. I know the team at BHG are mostly Americans and I know they are not anti americans. Their reason for not including them was simply because they were not around way back then. I still want them! I want to be able to start a game and pick America just like I can pick other countries. Anyway, they will probably eventually get added in with an expansion or someone may mod them in sooner or later. At last, like I keep saying, the game is still awesome!!! This really is my only complaint.

	20-05-2003 08:48									#22
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quote: Originally posted by albiedamned Never group me with the rest of the ignorant Americans!

I was correcting my own faux pas.

	20-05-2003 10:18									#23
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Yes, This game is great but like we've pointed out American Tech is in the game already and There Were Native Americans in the Ancient Age, It could every well be justifiable to include America.