19-05-2003 16:21									#1
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what it is better??

four red guards or a kv1 for this summer??

in my don cities I will have two veteran aa batteries and two kv-1
I also have some different attacks tanks and a few NKVD troopers

what should we do for the winter??
go for another kv-1 or for a red guard per turn?

	19-05-2003 17:17									#2
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I'd probably go for a Kayusha and a few cossacks in each (ignore city walls ability) if your looking to add to those garrisons.

However if you are wanting to really hold cities west of the don, getting aa's and Kv1's would be my next choice, i'd focus on Orel as if the germans get it they can come down the river in droves to attack vorenz, I plan to reinforce it from tula but need you to provide a unit or two(kv1 and AA) as well. You have 3 AA's in vorenz already.

Do you control Stalingrad? If so can you attack the SS with red army units so we get more Partisans?

	19-05-2003 19:22									#3
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paul controls it
so are you telling me to defend Orel?
what do i do with kursk then?

	19-05-2003 21:31									#4
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If you want to defend all the cities we have for the moment West of the Don ,i would say 4 RG's, but if your intent is only to keep the cities on the Don, I would say more KV-1 and AA batteries would be wise to consider (because ALL the attacks will then be launched against these cities)

	19-05-2003 21:52									#5
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Guys, don't be too confident. The Don cities will be heavily attacked in the summer and everything but a KV-1 will be destroyed in 1 attack.
In summer 1942 I lost Rostov, which had about 30 units, including 6 fortified KV-1 and 4 AA. And the city had walls and AA battery. And the level was king level.

	19-05-2003 22:15									#6
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the problem right now is that I only have 2 aa battery and 1 kv-1 per city, we need the convoys so badly

	19-05-2003 22:31									#7
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I airlifted 1 into Baku this turn
Another one will come next turn

	19-05-2003 22:44									#8
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Soon we will have the money to kick some Nazi @$$! Good job, comrade Yopov!

	19-05-2003 23:02									#9
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thanks comrade

	20-05-2003 10:45									#10
	You coukd hold kharkov Put an end to popups!

If you can get 2Kv1'ws amd 2 AA's in by end of april.

	20-05-2003 13:34									#11
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Well, all depends then on the amount of money we get from the supply convoys. If we get enough we could do it, but we will have to wait a little longer. Patience, comrades! Soon we will destroy the Germans, wipe them off the face of the Earth!

	21-05-2003 10:11									#12
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quote: Originally posted by yop73 Guys, don't be too confident. The Don cities will be heavily attacked in the summer and everything but a KV-1 will be destroyed in 1 attack. In summer 1942 I lost Rostov, which had about 30 units, including 6 fortified KV-1 and 4 AA. And the city had walls and AA battery. And the level was king level.

echoing this post... I held Rostov in 1942 by having no less than a dozen KV-1s in it, plus 4-5 AA and 4-5 LA-5 fighters. And almost all the units were into the red, each turn... I was sending reinforcements (KV-1s) in as fast as I could. I lost count of how many tanks the Germans threw at the city, but it was several dozen.

Anything other than KV-1s for defence is a waste of effort, IMO. We need to rushbuy... selling off improvements in non-threatened cities if need be.

	21-05-2003 15:51									#13
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In my games, Rostov and Perekop usually have 40+ units, and they have never been taken, but sometimes it was very close How come we have so little units? Are our commanders doing useless attacks?

No, without kidding, I usually play very defensive (when I attack, it is to wipe out an enemy), and I have several hundreds of units by this time in the game. I think we play too offensive, I think we should have been more defensive in the first two years of the war. If the Germans break through somewhere, we can't stop them, because we haven't got any spare forces left; We would need to strip other fronts of their troops, leaving them more vulnerable to attacks.

This is no reproach towards the commanders nor the Marshal, it's just something I noticed being differnet from my games

	21-05-2003 19:17									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 This is no reproach towards the commanders nor the Marshal, it's just something I noticed being differnet from my games

From mine as well - the Germans get hundreds of units by event, I think. We really needn't attack except where we can inflict 4:1 casualties. I was quite successful playing a defensive game up to late 1942, and was then able to retake most of western Russia in the winter of 42-43 (except for the Kursk area) after the Germans expended all their energy against Rostov.

	21-05-2003 22:19									#15
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Exactly what I did too! It's quite succesful, but is not very heroic. I think our front commanders are afraid to be sent to the Gulag if they don't perform well. Where have they gotten that idea from?

	21-05-2003 22:44									#16
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The proof will be this summer and whether the limited attacks we have been stressing recently are the way to go or the more traditional rush as many KV-1's and AA's you can and hope you hold in summer 1942.

	21-05-2003 23:15									#17
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I've never tried to hold Perekop before so I don't know about it, but holding Rostov is quite difficult, we
are going to need three or four il-2 shturmovik for Rostov and try to kill as many nazis as possible
there is the square east of Zaphorozye where the units are created via events, if we hit that spot we can kill more than a hundred units, I promise that once I killed 200

	21-05-2003 23:41									#18
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You kill 100 units, and ten seconds later they have units there again, because other events trigger! It's almost impossible to clear the region of Germans, they keep appearing everywhere

	22-05-2003 00:59									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Bossy20000 You kill 100 units, and ten seconds later they have units there again, because other events trigger! It's almost impossible to clear the region of Germans, they keep appearing everywhere

Its an evil facist plot!

	22-05-2003 07:14									#20
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Bah, no, it is the constant oppression of the German proletariat by the fascists and capitalists. My Brothers, let us not forget that the proletariat of the world is one! We must suffer the grinding attacks of the fascists now, so that once our industry is fully modernized we can export the Revolution!