20-05-2003 17:35									#1
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EDIT: The New Time Counter!

Is there any support for setting up a new turn time counter similar to Borc's Counter (which is no longer maintained)?
The game has slowed down considerably ever since Borc stopped updating the time counter, and I think that by returning it, we can speed up the game, if even slightly.
As before, it will not have any official status, it'll only be there to advise teams on whether they are being slower than other teams and need to play their turns faster, and give an overall picture of the pace of the game.

I'm willing to maintain it and make updates at least once per turn cycle.

Last edited by Shiber on 29-05-2003 at 20:22

	20-05-2003 18:55									#2
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As long as the starting point is where Borc stopped counting.

	20-05-2003 19:02									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Is there any support for setting up a new turn time counter similar to Borc's Counter (which is no longer maintained)? The game has slowed down considerably ever since Borc stopped updating the time counter, and I think that by returning it, we can speed up the game, if even slightly. As before, it will not have any official status, it'll only be there to advise teams on whether they are being slower than other teams and need to play their turns faster, and give an overall picture of the pace of the game. I'm willing to maintain it and make updates at least once per turn cycle.

I thought the game slowed down when GS went to war.



Seriously though...I remember Borc asking for volunteers to maintain his counter. Check with him...

	20-05-2003 19:14									#4
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Eli: it's not a contest. As I said, a turn time counter is meant solely to advise the teams as to how fast they're playing compared to other teams and provide an overview of how fast (or rather, slow) the entire game is going.

	20-05-2003 19:20									#5
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I think this is a good idea.

And I don't think Eli's comment was meant that it was a contest. But the idea of tracking the time was to raise awareness. And the concept was that some turns would take longer than others. I suspect Vox is one of the teams that is playing a bit slower now, but we were clearly well ahead on time when we stopped keeping track. I think Eli's suggestion is that we 'banked' a lot of time earlier in the game, when turns could be played quickly. We should not lose our 'savings account', so to speak.

	20-05-2003 19:31									#6
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The point is to measure the period that turns take now, because we want to deal with the present problems. If we let teams open "savings accounts" they wouldn't be so quick to solve any new problems should they arise, since they have time on the counter to burn through.
This is why I'm proposing that the counter would only display the time it took each team to play its last turn and the time elapsed over the last 20 turns. I don't want this to be a system where you start from 100 hours and get +4 hours each new turn, because such a setup implies "stay above X hours or you'll get sanctioned".

If anyone blames you for being slow now, just remind him that you were the fastest team for most of the game and link to the original timecounter.

	21-05-2003 04:09									#7
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Ah - OK - understood. I like your proposed approach. Since there never was any real punishment for using up the 100 hours anyway, why not just count the hours used. Sounds good.

	22-05-2003 18:48									#8
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I am going to activate the counter, starting from the next turn. I'll set up a thread after it is over which will always display the numbers shown on the counter and explain the concepts behind it (mostly repeating things that I have said in this thread).
That thread will also be used for posting questions and suggestions and making clarifications of cases within the gray-area.

Anybody minds?

	22-05-2003 21:17									#9
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Go for it dude.

	22-05-2003 22:03									#10
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Thanks Stewie

	22-05-2003 23:53									#12
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Sorry, I couldn't resist it... I just love your avatar so much!

	23-05-2003 02:42									#13
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picture doesn't show Shiber.

	23-05-2003 04:29									#14
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press quote on Shiber's post, see the URL? Just go there to see it.

And it is

	23-05-2003 07:10									#15
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That's hillarious Shiber!

	23-05-2003 08:58									#16
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Thanks

It shows on my computer, btw...

	27-05-2003 13:53									#17
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quote: It shows on my computer, btw...

Well yeah, it's located in your cache
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nice pic anyway

	27-05-2003 14:16									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber http://thunder.prohosting.com/~fga/...tubbystewie.gif

	27-05-2003 14:30									#19
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Anyway, I'm starting my count from this turn. When it's over, I'll present the stats in the first post of this thread.
Maybe if someone would be nice enough to give me some popups-free webspace, I'll have a nice eye-candy page like Borc's old counter. *hint*hint*

	29-05-2003 20:24									#20
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AHA!
It's finally done. Let me know what you think!
The New Time Counter!

I'd like feedback regarding the design, the usability, etc'. I also need webspace - I can't use that server forever. I don't think they even know that I'm using it. (long story, don't ask...)

	29-05-2003 21:37									#21
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Shiber - it is suberb!

Question - is there any concept of the old 'green' hours incorporated. Or is the approach simply that everybody has similar RL constraints - which makes sense to me.

Also - thank you, thank you, thank you for starting on Vox's quickest turn in the last month.

Speaking of which - the other teams' patience with some of our longer moves over the last while is appreciated. Mostr have been in-game related, some have been out-of-game (ie player unavailability).

Again Shiber - great job. And much needed. Love the background. One suggestion - make the V3 at the top the same colour as the CI, or vive-versa. At first glance I was wondering what a V3 counter was. I thought it was the third version.

Thanks again!

	29-05-2003 21:42									#22
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And thanks for starting on Lego's longest turn in months :P

	29-05-2003 21:44									#23
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Thanks Beta!
Green hours: no. I'm expecting teams to have more than one player and try to disperse them over different time zones. If a team has only one player and therefore the game can be delayed by hours for nothing while that player is sleeping or at work, that team is responsible.
V3: I know, and I agree... but I tried to imitate the original logo of Chrono Trigger as much as possible. In Chrono Trigger, the big clock/C was the C in Chrono and the H was covered by the same texture as the C, and the rest of the text was dark purple. I cut the side of the H to make it into an I and added V3... but I suppose you're right, it's not clear enough this way. I'll see what I can do.

	29-05-2003 21:48									#24
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ZargonX: sorry...
It was really just an arbitary decision.

	29-05-2003 21:57									#25
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quote: Don't you just love the Chrono Trigger-inspired logo? I know I do.

So do I.

	29-05-2003 22:01									#26
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quote: ZargonX: sorry... It was really just an arbitary decision.

No problem, Shiber! We'll more than make it up with our future square-peg efficiency

	29-05-2003 22:24									#27
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Okay, how about it now?
I gave up sticking with the original for readability.
Now it says PTW:DG Counter. I removed the original I, and the half-clock is no longer a C.

	29-05-2003 22:25									#28
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FP: Looking back, I find that Chrono Trigger and Seiken Densetsu 3 were two of the most positive experiences in my life.

	30-05-2003 16:57									#29
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I've made a few changes to the page.
RP's icon now has a transparent background instead of a white one, and blends with the rest of the page.
Also, I used layers to add an animated racing counter to the logo. What do you think, is this an improvement or not?

	31-05-2003 03:04									#30
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Thanks! Its good to see that the time counter is running again! great work!