20-05-2003 18:54									#1
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Hot_Enamel’s Evil Plan Mark 1.01

Taking a leaf from Master Zen’s Book of Evil Plans

How about this….

Gathering Storm
GS are going to win their war against Vox. Unless Vox gets our and RP’s 100% commitment, they will be destroyed.
In reality, we cant afford to send over the 4 more horsemen we owe them, and I doubt RP will commit much more.
It looks like RP are more interested in pushing ND to attack them, and starting up the Bob war anyway.
So lets face it…Vox is done for. GS will grind them into the ground.
So what do we do ? We jump into the winner’s circle, and align ourselves with GS.
We come clean to Gathering Storm.
Tell them of our deal with Vox, and that we still owe them 4 horsemen mercenaries.
Tell them that we know of the additional alliances Vox have been able to negotiate.
Cheap cash loans from Lego, troop commitments from RP, and possible horse-trading from ND.
We tell GS, that the world is allied against them.
However…we only considered our part as a mercenary deal, and consider ourselves neutral.
We tell GS, that Vox has been telling us of their one-on-one negotiations with GS representatives. We tell them we know GS have been actively promoting that GoW are using Vox as their puppets in a war against them. Tell them that we are aware that they have encouraged Vox to invade Bob and take us on.
We tell GS, that Vox and its allies are pressuring us not to trade chivalry to them.
We tell GS, that we are seriously considering it. Tell them that we were close to doing it.

Fortunately for them though…the following events have occurred. ND are becoming more aggressive towards us with troop movements along our borders, and building invasion roads.
We tell them that we do not wish to be part of the GS/Vox war, and would rather remain neutral…however, we are also aware, that if we do sell you Chivalry, it will mean the death of Vox.
This will NOT be seen as staying neutral, in Vox or its allies eyes.

Thus, our dilemma, how do we remain true to our word, and sell GS Chivalry, yet not become the bad boy to all of the other teams.
Here is our suggestion…it is taking into consideration the GS honour code, and your refusal to tell “white lies”

On the turn we learn Chivalry, we sell it to you at the agreed price.
We require that you do not let anyone know where you got it. We will invoke your honour code now, and insist this to being part of our agreement. We also insist, that you do not resell it to any other team.
We, will immediately speak to Vox allies, and tell them that Chivalry became cheaper in the tech tree, yet we have not finished researching it.
We will be telling them, that someone else must of finished it..possibly GS or ND ??
A couple of rounds later, we will tell Vox and their allies, we have finished it and sell it to them.
This will give GS 2 rounds of Chivalry before anyone else.
GS’s honour code remains intact, and GoW ends up telling a couple of white lies.
Hopefully, the allies will believe that GS have researched it themselves.

GS will crush Vox… this, we understand and expect. And also hope that we can continue with a strong tech/military alliance. Blah Blah Blah. Stop bagging our team..lets work together and dominate the world etc etc etc

ND.
We tell ND of our MPP with RP.
We tell ND that they must attack us..take a worker or anything.
This will make RP invade, and give ND the opportunity to set up an ambush, and wipe out the RP offensive.
We continue a “fake war” with ND, and begin to move our troops south.
ND keeps us updated with the RP front.
If RP does not send in troops..(or have their own loophole that we don’t see) then we can declare peace with ND, and jointly attack RP, claiming RP broke our treaty.
If RP do send in troops, ND should be able to kill them all.
We take a rep hit, violate our MPP, and attack a weak RP.

RP.
We continue relations as per normal, and encourage them to send more troops to help Vox

Lego.
If RP does not war with ND, then these guys will be satisfied with our reasons why we have the right to switch sides and attack RP.

Vox.
If ND fake attacks…surely they cant be pissed at us if we renege on our deal about sending the 4 more horsemen. Our own security dictates that we defend against the Germans. We pacify these guys until GS finally wipes them out.


So….

Yay / Nay
Changes / Suggestions … go for it.


{edit} - Please excuse spelling/gramma etc etc …and the poor writing technique. I am heading to bed, and I figured it was better to give you what I have got, rather than wait another 24 hours for final editing

	21-05-2003 00:34									#2
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I agree with what the ND portion says; we might have done that anyways.

About the aligning with GS, I say no. GS in full control of Estonia is not good. (Neither is Lego in control of their continent good, but we can do something about GS.)

	21-05-2003 03:22									#3
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How much do we know about the Vox-GS war? How sure are we that GS will win? Will GS be invincible all alone on their island, or weakened from their long war? How long can/will we just prepare for the RP war?

	21-05-2003 03:53									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Panzer32 I agree with what the ND portion says; we might have done that anyways. About the aligning with GS, I say no. GS in full control of Estonia is not good. (Neither is Lego in control of their continent good, but we can do something about GS.)

I agree with you Panzer. GS in full control of their continent is a disaster. Its just that I dont see how we are in a position to do anything about it.

Beta mentioned that they are going to have 20-30 new immortals on the next wave. But their military is still average to GS.
GS consider Vox too dangerous to have as a long tern neighbour....they are going for the kill.
4 horsemen/pikes, are not going to influence the outcome of the war.
Unless Vox get our & RP's 100% backing, they are doomed.

We cannot commit to this war now that ND want to take on RP.

I was all for helping Vox against GS...even to a point of making our war against RP secondary. But as our team seems to be heading down the track of only sending 4 pikes etc, and concentrating on the RP war.... I feel that we need to cut our losses.

I always said we need an "out" if the Vox/GS war goes pair shaped. I think that it has, and we need to align ourselves with the strongest..(although it burns me to say it).


In Summary....
Its either 100% behind Vox, or 100% behind ND.
We cant do both.

	21-05-2003 05:53									#5
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This was my original "evil plan" with respect to the whole thing:


1) We try and get RP to commit to the Vox-GS war.

2) We make ammends with GS and "assure" them (unofficialy of course) that we will sell them Chivalry once we get it (which we won't)

3) We sell Feudalism to everyone and get rich. Wait till Chivalry and launch the RP war with ND.

4) Once we get Chivalry we don't sell it to GS and instead openly aid Vox after the RP war.


however, now that the whole RP appears to be getting serious we might have to modify this a little. IN CASE ND DOES DECIDE TO GO TO WAR IMMEDIATLEY


1) we sell Feud to ND and ND only. We blackmail GS not to sell Feudalism to RP or we don't sell them Chivalry (which we won't anyway )

2) we wait till Chivalry and then send out the troops against RP. In the meantime we would be technically at war with RP but we hardly do active support of ND.

3) After the RP war we aid Vox against GS

	21-05-2003 07:06									#6
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MZ.

You are right...my plan almost mimics yours.

I guess the main difference is that I dont believe Vox will be around that long.
Also, war will favour the defenders...I expect RP to drag our war on for many turns.

Whether we sell Chivalry to GS or not, wont change the outcome of the war. I do believe GS will win. The only thing that will stop them is our 100% support now. And I dont think we can offer it.

So..I am suggesting we cut our losses. And if we dont want to be GS's next target...we even align ourselves with them.....(It kills me saying that)

	21-05-2003 09:48									#7
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I would like to submit this question. If vox is doomed why should we not consider launching an attack on them.
Aggie

	21-05-2003 09:53									#8
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Because RP is first on our hit-list.

	21-05-2003 11:26									#9
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Aggie,

They are supposed to give us engineering at a very cheap price of 30g.
The longer they live, the more GS has to waste on military to wipe them out.
Our commitment to ND to help with RP should have our 100% focus.

It is my opinion, that Vox are dead.
Especially now that...
We are not 100% behind them.
ND is not interested in helping them
We plan on destroying their only ally who has agreed to support them militarily

This kills me having to say this, as GS is too powerful to have their own continent.
But I think its going to be just a matter of time

	21-05-2003 11:44									#10
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Well, it will all depend on how the RP war goes. If we inflict a crushing defeat on them, I don't see how GS can stand up to both ND/GoW intervening on Vox's behalf.

	21-05-2003 15:32									#11
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Sure...If RP folds, then it is a completely different story.

But I dont think they will.
And I think we are going to have to make a choice about giving Chivalry to GS well before the RP war is finished.

So do we...

Screw GS on Chivalry, and fight it out with RP in a long drawn out war. GS will damn us, will probably defeat Vox anyway, and then we will have a very pissed off neighbour right next to us.

or

Screw Vox and give GS Chivalry. Hasten Vox's destruction and have a freindly neighbour ?


But if ND goes to war with RP early, and crushes them...then I am all for helping Vox. I just dont think it is going to happen.

Regs

	21-05-2003 15:35									#12
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We need to negotiate Feudalism prices ASAP, does anyone know the EXACT turn we can trade it?

The only reason GS is dominating the war in my opinion is that they have a huge amount of income. Vox doesn't seem to be pillaging GS's roads which is exactly what they need to be doing.

	21-05-2003 18:05									#13
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I am pretty confident that we can trade it this turn.

	21-05-2003 21:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Hot_Enamel Screw Vox and give GS Chivalry. Hasten Vox's destruction and have a freindly neighbour ? Regs

What guarantee is there that GS will remain friendly if they crush Vox? They might get even cockier.

	24-05-2003 03:41									#15
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reneg on Vox, else we risk the wrath of GS.
Fake war on ND, attack RP.
I do have one concern, and that's with a fake war on ND, we'll be entering the war with RP late and get less spoils.